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John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Why would Jesus tell us that the Father will send the Holy Spirit in His name... if they are not one?
Also the Father tells us that no one can come unto Him, but only through Jesus can one do this.
We are not to worship other gods, but only One the Father! If you separate the Three, you are making each one into an Deity...
Just because the word Trinity is not in the scripture, it does not mean that the concept of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not One God... which the scripture teach they are One!
But we are reminded that the natural man does not understand the things of the Spirit. They are foolish to him.
1Cor.2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Also,
John 4:23-24
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
What happens when another Son or Daughter becomes One with them?
Salvation is no guarantee of seeing the Father??? My salvation IS my guarantee I will see the Father.
The people that Jesus will say I never knew you to, were never saved at all.
Not so, they are the ones that He never knew and worked iniquity (sin with knowledge of the sin without repentence).
Unrighteousness can not abide in the pressence of God, whether in the flesh or Spirit.
Not so, they are the ones that He never knew and worked iniquity (sin with knowledge of the sin without repentence).
Unrighteousness can not abide in the pressence of God, whether in the flesh or Spirit.
Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
One way to explain it to a new believer without getting too theological is:
God thinks it Jesus speaks it The Holy Spirit does it
Hmmm ... based on my limited understanding, I've contented myself with the following based on my reading and interpretation:
God is spirit and the father/creator of all things (Jesus included).
Jesus is nothing more or less than the physical(corporal) manifestation of the spirit of God which is why he and the father "are one".
That indwelling of the spirit was eventually passed along to us.
Thus:
God: the father creator
Jesus: the incarnate / physical manifestation of the father indwelt with the spirit
Holy Spirit/Ghost: the spirit of God acting in and through us.
Makes perfect sense to me ... doesn't seem like such a mystery or so hard to comprehend and fits perfectly with the concept that all are divine, all are one, all are holy, and all are different parts of the same entity.
Hmmm ... based on my limited understanding, I've contented myself with the following based on my reading and interpretation:
God is spirit and the father/creator of all things (Jesus included).
As He is the creator of you and me.
Quote:
Jesus is nothing more or less than the physical(corporal) manifestation of the spirit of God which is why he and the father "are one".
As well the Spirit of God is within us, and we can be One as well.
Quote:
That indwelling of the spirit was eventually passed along to us.
Thus:
God: the father creator
Jesus: the incarnate / physical manifestation of the father indwelt with the spirit
Holy Spirit/Ghost: the spirit of God acting in and through us.
Makes perfect sense to me ... doesn't seem like such a mystery or so hard to comprehend and fits perfectly with the concept that all are divine, all are one, all are holy, and all are different parts of the same entity.
THe spirit of God has always been in us. We choose to accept or reject with every thought and act. Just as Christ had the freedom to choose or reject.
The Trinity is a limiting doctrine, it does not make allowance for the extended Family of God. There truly is an Infinity to the Expansion (heaven) of God.
Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
godspeed,
freedom
I still don't have a clue what you are talking about? Are you saying, if there is a Trinity then others can join?
I really doubt if understanding the godhead has anything to do with our salvation. What matters is that we believe in the Heavenly Father, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit, and that we do as we are taught in the word of God.
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My salvation IS my guarantee I will see the Father.
