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Judas was sent away, the covenant was made with the ones who stuck with Jesus in his trials. Although there were millions of Jehovah's people there, Jesus only gave the bread and wine and made the covenant with the faithful 11 apostles.
Judas did however, eat the passover meal with Jesus and the other apostles.
Jesus said in Matthew 18 that we SHOULD actually remove someone from our fellowship at times. It's a pretty big deal, and not to be taken lightly, but there are times when a person should be excommunicated.
That is a strictly human approach because it removes any possibility for influencing the person. It is a quitter's way of dealing with the problem definitely NOT Jesus's or God's approach. Humans are unbelievably perverse!
Judas was sent away, the covenant was made with the ones who stuck with Jesus in his trials. Although there were millions of Jehovah's people there, Jesus only gave the bread and wine and made the covenant with the faithful 11 apostles.
Judas did however, eat the passover meal with Jesus and the other apostles.
He was sent away? What verse says that?
And what verse possibly gives you the ideas that there were millions of Christians at that time?
That is a strictly human approach because it removes any possibility for influencing the person. It is a quitter's way of dealing with the problem definitely NOT Jesus's or God's approach. Humans are unbelievably perverse!
It was Jesus talking. If that's what you think of Jesus, then that really illustrates your views.
And what verse possibly gives you the ideas that there were millions of Christians at that time?
It is rather difficult to discern Baptist, as you kind of have to look at multiple accounts of the event. In John we read: 18 I am not talking about all of you; I know the ones I have chosen. But this was so that the scripture might be fulfilled: ‘The one who was eating my bread has lifted his heel against me.’
I think you would agree that was speaking about Judas. going forward a few verses: (John 13:21) 21 After saying these things, Jesus became troubled in spirit, and he bore witness, saying: “Most truly I say to you, one of you will betray me.”
26 Jesus answered: “It is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread that I dip.” So after dipping the bread, he took it and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot. 27 After Judas took the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him. So Jesus said to him: “What you are doing, do it more quickly.” 28 However, none of those reclining at the table knew why he said this to him. 29 Some, in fact, were thinking that since Judas was holding the money box, Jesus was telling him, “Buy what we need for the festival,” or that he should give something to the poor. 30 So after he received the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.
Judas did drink the wine and partake of the bread, as we can see recorded in: (Luke 22:21) 21 “But look! the hand of my betrayer is with me at the table. . .
But was not part of the covenant because Jesus said this: (Luke 22:28-30) . . .“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Judas did not stick with Jesus, Luke just didn't record the sending away of Judas who had satan enter into him with the eating of the bread as shown by John's account.
And what verse possibly gives you the ideas that there were millions of Christians at that time?
I am sorry Baptist I forgot to answer the second question. There were no Christians at the time, the new covenant was enacted later, but there were millions of Jehovah's people at the celebration in Jerusalem where Jesus and the disciples were, they were attending the commanded Passover celebration.
The Bible never gives the count of attendees, but this may help: Josephus records that, at one Jewish Passover feast in the days of Roman emperor Nero, they found “the number of sacrifices was two hundred and fifty-six thousand five hundred; which, upon the allowance of no more than ten that feast together, amounts to two millions seven hundred thousand and two hundred persons that were pure and holy.”—Wars of the Jews, Book 6, chap. 9, ¶3
It is rather difficult to discern Baptist, as you kind of have to look at multiple accounts of the event. In John we read: 18 I am not talking about all of you; I know the ones I have chosen. But this was so that the scripture might be fulfilled: ‘The one who was eating my bread has lifted his heel against me.’
I think you would agree that was speaking about Judas. going forward a few verses: (John 13:21) 21 After saying these things, Jesus became troubled in spirit, and he bore witness, saying: “Most truly I say to you, one of you will betray me.”
26 Jesus answered: “It is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread that I dip.” So after dipping the bread, he took it and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot. 27 After Judas took the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him. So Jesus said to him: “What you are doing, do it more quickly.” 28 However, none of those reclining at the table knew why he said this to him. 29 Some, in fact, were thinking that since Judas was holding the money box, Jesus was telling him, “Buy what we need for the festival,” or that he should give something to the poor. 30 So after he received the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.
Judas did drink the wine and partake of the bread, as we can see recorded in: (Luke 22:21) 21 “But look! the hand of my betrayer is with me at the table. . .
But was not part of the covenant because Jesus said this: (Luke 22:28-30) . . .“However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Judas did not stick with Jesus, Luke just didn't record the sending away of Judas who had satan enter into him with the eating of the bread as shown by John's account.
A bit confusing really, hope that helps sir
In other words, one has to read into the text to get the idea that he was sent away?
I am sorry Baptist I forgot to answer the second question. There were no Christians at the time, the new covenant was enacted later, but there were millions of Jehovah's people at the celebration in Jerusalem where Jesus and the disciples were, they were attending the commanded Passover celebration.
The Bible never gives the count of attendees, but this may help: Josephus records that, at one Jewish Passover feast in the days of Roman emperor Nero, they found “the number of sacrifices was two hundred and fifty-six thousand five hundred; which, upon the allowance of no more than ten that feast together, amounts to two millions seven hundred thousand and two hundred persons that were pure and holy.”—Wars of the Jews, Book 6, chap. 9, ¶3
You mean the same ones shouting "CRUCIFY HIM!"?
Paul makes the statement in Romans 9:6-7 "For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring..."
He goes on to say in v. 8 "This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring".
So again, I ask. What makes you believe that there were that many of "God's people" there? We really have no idea how many faithful followers there were.
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Great Qurstion B
