Universalism - all aspects - pro and con (tradition, incarnation, woman)

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by EscAlaMike

It means a lot of things. The implications of the Incarnation are beyond the scope of what we can imagine.

Primarily, it means that Christ made salvation possible. By offering Himself as the perfect sacrifice, serving as both Priest and Victim, He attained salvation for the human race.

Where once mankind was dead in sin, Christ made us alive.

Mike, Jesus Christ is NOT a potential Saviour, He IS Saviour.

Potential saviours might save you. Potential saviours could save you, potential saviours would like to save you.....BUT

God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind..."

Especially is not only.

Especially is not some.

"God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe. Command this and teach this."

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

Mike, Jesus Christ is NOT a potential Saviour, He IS Saviour.

Potential saviours might save you. Potential saviours could save you, potential saviours would like to save you.....BUT

God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind..."

Especially is not only.

Especially is not some.

"God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe. Command this and teach this."

Especially is those who believe.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Especially is those who believe.

But it does NOT mean ONLY those who believe! Your ignorance about the word "especially" is beyond reason. What is your education level???

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

But it does NOT mean ONLY those who believe! Your ignorance about the word "especially" is beyond reason. What is your education level???

It means only those who believe are saved from the penalty of sin, as we seen in John 3.

[Michael BoryAlis]

The Creator of the Universe is a Universalist.
Simple.

The demonic religion of christianity and their bogus bible translations and unspiritual interpretations have the masses deceived.

I'm not looking back as Lot's Wife - let the system burn.

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Especially is those who believe.

Good grief Jimmie.

only = μόνον (monon)

some = τις (tis)

especially = μάλιστα (malista) =

Chiefly, most of all, above all.

God is not Saviour of tis.

God is not saviour of monon.

God is Saviour of especially, the all and those who believe.

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

Good grief Jimmie.

only = μόνον (monon)

some = τις (tis)

especially = μάλιστα (malista) =

Chiefly, most of all, above all.

Yes, Jesus saved all, but as scripture tells us, we must believe to access that salvation. “Without faith, it is impossible to please God.”

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Yes, Jesus saved all, but as scripture tells us, we must believe to access that salvation. “Without faith, it is impossible to please God.”

Questions ?

1. Where does faith originate, Him or us?

2. Does one decide to follow Jesus?

3. Does a disciple choose Christ, or Christ him?

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

Questions ?

1. Where does faith originate, Him or us?

2. Does one decide to follow Jesus?

3. Does a disciple choose Christ, or Christ him?

Irrelevant to this discussion. We know from scripture and from real life that not everyone believes in Jesus as savior.

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Irrelevant to this discussion.

Wrong! Your 3 questions are very relevant to the discussion.

Questions ?

1. Where does faith originate, Him or us?

2. Does one decide to follow Jesus?

3. Does a disciple choose Christ, or Christ him?

Answers =

1. Him.

2. No.

3. You did not choose Me, I chose.

" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him." ~R.F. Weymouth

γνωρίσας ἡμῖν τὸ μυστήριον τοῦ θελήματος αὐτοῦ κατὰ τὴν εὐδοκίαν αὐτοῦ ἣν προέθετο ἐν αὐτῷ