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Old 04-29-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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What you do not believe is that it is done. You believe it is not done until you believe. There is no denying this.

 
Old 04-29-2020, 11:21 AM
 
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there is a saving coming for all unbelievers.. but that has nothing to do with eternity..
there is many saving coming for the believers and unbelievers...
but only those who trust will follow the instructions.. and thus be saved..


Rev 16:2

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


Rev 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.



^^^^^ instead the rest might freak out and not "call out to him" and thus " be saved" but rely on themselves or a government of men who will only be about their own powers..

and some take their own biometric signature/mark of that beastly government..... and they do that after they know beyond any doubts that there is a God and His Son, who can save them from death and hell.....
they will take the mark of men who want to defy the God who can save s and has saved them many times by that time or
is also saving many others !!!!!!
from things like the coming atomic bombs and and the snakes and on and on.. we can not even guess yet..
those kinds of "salvations: are coming for the righteous and unrighteous......and that has nothing to do with eternity.. as verses above prove.

because they do not TRUST HIM who can save them..
 
Old 04-29-2020, 11:22 AM
 
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“We all must die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored.”

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit." -Rotherham Emphasized-

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 11:36 AM
 
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If everyone is saved, then Jesus died for nothing.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
You should come down from that lofty tree of dead branches.
He is either the savior of humanity - the world, or none at all.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 08:01 PM
 
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no he is our on going " saving" thus many salvations.....when we follow him in truth, He is continuously (an on going never ending salvation )
He is saving us .... so they all stop looking to him as their salvation...


so the last part..this is after 1000 years and they all have no excuses.. just as the angels who fell have no excuses and they also have no Grace or Mercy left for them .. Now....confusion and the devil and sinners.. etc.. are excuses that might have some validity in this time NOW in some cases.. NOW ...... but rebellion isn't a viable excuse.. and why the fallen angels and the snakes...have no excuses and no grace either .



Rev 20:7

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Rev 20:8

and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Rev 20:9

They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
MAN

Rev 20:10

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

and this is Angels..

all with no excuses but rebellion.. and that is not a viable excuse in that age or at that time... when they all knew better..
 
Old 04-30-2020, 03:26 AM
 
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God is working to meet and correct some awful fall.

This is precisely what the Restitution of our Abba is about.

The Second Death & The Restitution Of All Things.

The complete book below >>>>

https://tentmaker.org/books/Restitut...utionindex.htm

The Author & Finisher is working to meet & correct some awful fall.
 
Old 04-30-2020, 10:04 AM
 
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There are a number of Scriptures that speak of Abba’s essence. His essence is NOT a characteristic, it is what He is!

“God IS Love”

It is NOT what He does. It is what He is in essence.

All characteristics of His great Being flow in absolute at-one-ment.

The radical all!

“Our God IS Fire.”

It is not an aspect of Abba, it is His essence from which His characteristics flow in perfect harmony.

Welcome to our God the Katesthió Pur!

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Old 04-30-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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The Master of reconciliation has proclaimed it is finished, that is a fact!

The reconciliation of the ta pavnte begins with His Household, those known as the elect firstfruits, the especially (malista) of the all of mankind of whom He is Saviour.

The full and complete work of "it is finished" extends ultimately not just to the firsfruits of us, to them (all of mankind.)

Firstfruits > > > Final harvest.

Welcome to the dispensation of the fullness of times.
 
Old 05-01-2020, 08:10 PM
 
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Time vs Eternity

It is a great and blessed fact that God is the eternal God. Transition, adjustments, change - these words seem to be constantly with us, until we fain would grasp for something that seems to be stable, solid, enduring.

Much of the inner drive for change is simple evidence that man is not satisfied, has not found his completeness in Christ, for "beloved now are we the children of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when HE shall appear, we shall (then) be like Him for we shall see Him as He is" (I John. 3:2).

Here is stability - immutability - the quality of His nature remains the same, HE is the Eternal.

And this is the nature of which we would be a partaker, the fullness of which we find in Christ, and through union with Him with which we shall be changed until we become changeless in the absoluteness of that which He is.

He who is eternal cannot be influenced, affected, moved, changed, altered, damaged or destroyed in any way. He cannot grow tired or old. The character of God is eternal, changeless, unaffected. The love, joy, peace, righteousness and power of God do not rise and fall, rise and fall, rise and fall. Matters not what happens or what men or devils say or do, the love of God, the purpose of God, and the power of God are steadfast, unmoved, unquenched, unaffected, without fluctuation. The eternal existence of God is certain for He is the source of all life. Death cannot touch Him for He is not dependent upon the sustaining power of another,

He is Yahweh, the self- existent One. - J. Preston Eby-
 
Old 05-02-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Salvation For All

“The traditional interpretation of an everlasting hell fire for sinners is as wrong and as senseless as believing that a three dollar bill is legal tender.

Ultimate salvation is something that has been secured by Christ for all mankind without the works of man (either good or bad) being involved in the issue. Everyone will finally be saved and brought to a full knowledge of the truth of God. All humans will finally be forgiven for their sins and they will become reconciled to God. All things in the heavens, on earth and under the earth (the angels who are kept in chains in the bowels of the earth) will one day proclaim the Lordship of Christ to the glory of God the Father.

But it will not only be all humans who are reconciled to God (now that God has reconciled Himself to mankind). The reconciliation will reach out to embrace all the hostile powers which have been out of harmony with God over the centuries. There is prophesied, according to Paul, a full reconciliation between all the antagonistic beings throughout the universe. Even they will be reconciled amongst themselves,
Between themselves and mankind, and between themselves and God the Father (Col. 1:20). All grievances, both divine and human, are disposed of through the life and death of Christ our Saviour. Peace has been, or will be established between all hostile parties throughout the universe." -Ernest L. Martin-
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