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Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into aionion (duration or period of time) chastisement or correction, and the just or righteous into aionion (duration or period of time) life." Remember, this is not talking about anything eternal (aidios), however, it doesn't mean that life will end any more than the chastisement or correction will continue. Personally, I couldn't care less what your Greek scholars have to say. Aἰῶνα has nothing to do with eternity, nor does it carry the connotation of eternal. What you don't like is the idea of all humanity coming to the knowledge of the truth that hell and eternal damnation are false theologies, created by men to scare little children. Isn't it time you searched for the real truth? The only thing it does is invoke the idea of longevity or that which is over the horizon as does the Hebrew word Olam.
You do not get to decide which word the Biblical writers should have used to describe the idea of eternal punishment. Despite your low opinion of Greek scholars, and whether you like it or not, and you don't, they know full well that in certain contexts the word αἰώνιος and its cognates does refer to unending duration as in eternal duration. The word is used for the life of Jesus after having been resurrected, never to die again in Revelation 1:18. And so it is used in Matthew 25:46.
Olam as well, in certain contexts, such as in Daniel 12:2, dealing with resurrection in the age to come, refers to unending duration - eternal duration. As does the shame and everlasting contempt which is spoken of in the same verse.
I understand you asked Pastor Mark to join us and you obviously resonate with his views. But he stumbles over the LGBT issue because he retains a misunderstanding of what was actually abominable back then and somehow still justifies the existence of Hell (which is an evil of such monumental proportions that it defies understanding). I suspect you agree with him on these issues and that is troubling.
Apologies for not giving attention sooner.
God loves gay people and so do I. But they too must be and will be transformed by His all consuming fire.
Something caught my attention, and I have to ask...
Radical forgiveness for all, except for us q----s? What exactly are "LGBTQ moralities and spiritualities"? Does this include LGBTQ Christians like myself?
My apologies i did not mean to ignore you. That is a fair question. Absolutely radical forgiveness shall come to you. My prayer is that you would ask for it today.
Apologies for not giving attention sooner.
God loves gay people and so do I. But they too must be and will be transformed by His all consuming fire.
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My apologies i did not mean to ignore you. That is a fair question. Absolutely radical forgiveness shall come to you. My prayer is that you would ask for it today.
Apologies for not giving attention sooner.
God loves gay people and so do I. But they too must be and will be transformed by His all-consuming fire.
His all-consuming Fire IS His love, Pastor, NOT some impossibly evil eternal torment. We will all be transformed by His Consuming love because we all are imperfect, unlike Jesus. That is why it makes no sense for any of us to take notice of any so-called sins or imperfections of others. We have enough to concern ourselves with our own.
His all-consuming Fire IS His love, Pastor, NOT some impossibly evil eternal torment. We will all be transformed by His Consuming love because we all are imperfect, unlike Jesus. That is why it makes no sense for any of us to take notice of any so-called sins or imperfections of others. We have enough to concern ourselves with our own.
You do not get to decide which word the Biblical writers should have used to describe the idea of eternal punishment. Despite your low opinion of Greek scholars, and whether you like it or not, and you don't, they know full well that in certain contexts the word αἰώνιος and its cognates does refer to unending duration as in eternal duration. The word is used for the life of Jesus after having been resurrected, never to die again in Revelation 1:18. And so it is used in Matthew 25:46.
Olam as well, in certain contexts, such as in Daniel 12:2, dealing with resurrection in the age to come, refers to unending duration - eternal duration. As does the shame and everlasting contempt which is spoken of in the same verse.
You are on the losing side of the argument even if what you say about the word αἰώνιος and its cognates were true (it is NOT!), Mike. The concept of unending punishment, itself, is so heinous and evil that God could never be the author of it and certainly not the enforcer of it - or God IS truly a monster of evil beyond any imagining.
You do not get to decide which word the Biblical writers should have used to describe the idea of eternal punishment. Despite your low opinion of Greek scholars, and whether you like it or not, and you don't, they know full well that in certain contexts the word αἰώνιος and its cognates does refer to unending duration as in eternal duration. The word is used for the life of Jesus after having been resurrected, never to die again in Revelation 1:18. And so it is used in Matthew 25:46.
Olam as well, in certain contexts, such as in Daniel 12:2, dealing with resurrection in the age to come, refers to unending duration - eternal duration. As does the shame and everlasting contempt which is spoken of in the same verse.
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You are on the losing side of the argument even if what you say about the word αἰώνιος and its cognates were true (it is NOT!), Mike. The concept of unending punishment, itself, is so heinous and evil that God could never be the author of it and certainly not the enforcer of it - or God IS truly a monster of evil beyond any imagining.
No, I'm not, and yes, it is. Your personal opinions do not override what God has revealed about Himself through the apostles. It is perfectly just for God to leave under condemnation all who will not avail themselves of His means of eternal salvation.
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