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I'll try this again
my dad says
"if one person goes to hell God failed"
I say If one person is saved, and all the rest went to hell
Jesus still would have died...." and that one would be a she, and she would be his wife to repopulate the world .
Dad and his cult of universalists think it is ok of them to judge God and his son like that.
I don't and I won't . I believe in free will ... without free will there is no such thing as love, marriage or even unity, without free will there is no such thing as forgiveness either..
you guys want to judge God and Peter and Queen of Sheba and Jesus then go for it. and think your forgiveness is more important and more valuable than Christ's .. I am just trying to warn you that is not wise thing to do. but please remember though that we have free will and that means also that you reap the consequences or the rewards of your actions because God made sure man coudl love and could forgive because he gave us free will..
Dad and his cult of universalists think it is ok of them to judge God and his son like that. I don't and I won't . I believe in free will ... without free will there is no such thing as love, marriage or even unity, without free will there is no such thing as forgiveness either..
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive -- that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subjects response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
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you guys want to judge God and Peter and Queen of Sheba and Jesus then go for it. and think your forgiveness is more important and more valuable than Christ's .. I am just trying to warn you that is not wise thing to do. but please remember though that we have free will and that means also that you reap the consequences or the rewards of your actions because God made sure man could love and could forgive because he gave us free will..
There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love.
For what power has love; but that of forgiveness.
If the penalty was just spiritual death then Adam and Eve would still be alive today. - Romans 5:12
The penalty for Adam was ' returning ' back to the dust of the ground according to Genesis 3:19
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
Adam went from non-existence, and returned back to non-existence which is more than spiritual death.
We are not saved from physical death, but are from spiritual death, through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive -- that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subjects response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love.
For what power has love; but that of forgiveness.
.... you people have no shame when in finding no problem to trust 1 Timothy 2:4 by perverting into the equivalent of all people are gonna be prancing into heaven like show ponies cause "God is love ... that all folks" while for the most part the balance of Bible has little or no use and or find it useful to demean it.
Even in the secular setting if somebody were to do that with any other author, such a person would be laughed at.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive -- that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subjects response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
There is no love without forgiveness, and no forgiveness without love.
For what power has love; but that of forgiveness.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
.... you people have no shame when in finding no problem to trust 1 Timothy 2:4 by perverting into the equivalent of all people are gonna be prancing into heaven like show ponies cause "God is love ... that all folks" while for the most part the balance of Bible has little or no use and or find it useful to demean it.
Even in the secular setting if somebody were to do that with any other author, such a person would be laughed at.
Babies smile in their sleep because they are listening to the whispering within their dreams, that small, still voice. It's either that, or they're passing gas, expelling what isn't needed. By the way, ALL babies, everyone of them (collectively) are precious. Take a moment and think about that!
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
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.... you people have no shame when in finding no problem to trust 1 Timothy 2:4 by perverting into the equivalent of all people are gonna be prancing into heaven like show ponies cause "God is love ... that all folks" while for the most part the balance of Bible has little or no use and or find it useful to demean it. 
