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So if the American flag was removed from the White House, there is no evidence that America had existed? And yet this trick is being applied to dismiss all other trail of evidence as if they do not exists?
Mighty convenient indeed.
Of course not. This is a completely false comparison, because there is abundant other evidence showing that United States has existed for centuries. If the flag can not be found for whatever reason, that's fine, because there is a mountain of other evidence proving the existence of the United states.
On the other hand, there is really no physical evidence of the parting of the Red Sea. Zero. Those alleged columns are pretty much all you have, so if you can't produce them, then you have nothing at all. No comparison at all.
Do these arguments really make sense to you? Because they sure don't make any sense to anyone else.
Of course not. This is a completely false comparison, because there is abundant other evidence showing that United States has existed for centuries. If the flag can not be found for whatever reason, that's fine, because there is a mountain of other evidence proving the existence of the United states.
On the other hand, there is really no physical evidence of the parting of the Red Sea. Zero. Those alleged columns are pretty much all you have, so if you can't produce them, then you have nothing at all. No comparison at all.
Do these arguments really make sense to you? Because they sure don't make any sense to anyone else.
Oh please. The place where the crossing is located can easily show how they were trapped, there are evidence at the bottom of that crossing as the recent you tube videos can show, the real Mt. Sinai with the burnt mountaintop with archeological evdeince of the camp at the base and...never mind.
The evidence is there and the analogy of the flag I had used was correct. Dusting off my feet.
Granted, the scientists are assuming that global warming and volcanoes are the cause of these Biblical plagues that wiped out the area; and since scientists as per their point of view, will get history wrong too. An example of how two opposing sets of views can occur while on a dig at Jericho.
Real scientists do not "assume" anything. We have real world experience over the course pf the last 150 years of water turned to blood (not really blood, but's red). There are plenty of documentaries on youtube about Lake Nyos. We have real world experience with a killer fog, again found in the Lake Nyos results on youtube. We have real world experience with plagues of locusts. We even have real world experience with darkness at noon (due to volcanic activity, like at Mt St Helens and Krakatoa) What we "assume" is based upon the principal of geology called "uniformitarianism" (the same processes we observe today occurred in the past as well) If it happens today, it is not unreasonable that it has happened in the past.
PS Regarding opposing sets of views about Jericho, I can see that. After all, there is no final answer regarding Troy and the Trojan War and the outcome and follow up. I have my opinion, based upon my reading. Others believe differently, based upon their reading. We all might well agree that there was a Trojan War, with disastrous results for Troy.
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While scientists can only work on the evidence, it is still postulated with guesswork per their point of view when it goes beyond what is observed or found.
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I believe the Bible; since its history connects to the existence of the Israelites today and the Bible does serve as their family tree.
There is no reason to disbelieve the general veracity of the existence of the ten plagues as described in the bible. Believers then can take the story built around the ten plagues as true, and non believers can call that story fiction, just as they do with the stories of the Jews in Babylon.
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Granted, the scientists are assuming that global warming and volcanoes are the cause of these Biblical plagues that wiped out the area; and since scientists as per their point of view, will get history wrong too. An example of how two opposing sets of views can occur while on a dig at Jericho.
Yes, except there are no two views anymore really. All dating points to Jericho being destroyed well before any conquest could have happened. The only period where any number of cites mentioned in the bible *only 3 mind you* could have been conquered doesn't happen until the 13th century. One of which is in dispute it was even destroyed in warfare. The other problem is that they were destroyed over a period of one hundred years. The other problem is that there is no general reoccupation in the cities that are destroyed. Even when they are reoccupied it was mostly by Egyptian garrisons. That's not even arguing the fact that biblically the 13th century is about two hundred some years off from the biblical chronology. It would be nice if the things were true my friend, but the evidence just isn't there. Any student of history loves it when things written about turn out to be true. The reality is that it's rarely the case for it happening. At best you get 1/3 of the things written about to turn out to be accurate, and that's generous. Most often you only get a possible sliver of accuracy as in the case of Troy.
While Wyatt won a devoted following from some fundamentalist Christians, he was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:
The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.
Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[SIZE=2][14][/SIZE]
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The war depicted in Gone With The Wind really happened, historians say!
Furthermore, recent expeditons to Georgia have confirmed that there is indeed a city there called 'Atlanta', and that it was in fact burned by one General Sherman.
Given that these events/places/people are referenced in the Book of Margaret, what more proof does anyone need that Scarlett O'Hara was a real person and that Rhett Butler really didn't give a damn?
The war depicted in Gone With The Wind really happened, historians say!
Furthermore, recent expeditons to Georgia have confirmed that there is indeed a city there called 'Atlanta', and that it was in fact burned by one General Sherman.
Given that these events/places/people are referenced in the Book of Margaret, what more proof does anyone need that Scarlett O'Hara was a real person and that Rhett Butler really didn't give a damn?
I thought I'd be out of reps..... but.. no. No, I wasn't.
The war depicted in Gone With The Wind really happened, historians say!
Furthermore, recent expeditons to Georgia have confirmed that there is indeed a city there called 'Atlanta', and that it was in fact burned by one General Sherman.
Given that these events/places/people are referenced in the Book of Margaret, what more proof does anyone need that Scarlett O'Hara was a real person and that Rhett Butler really didn't give a damn?
Good one!
This fallacy is so common in Christianity that it's been dubbed "The Spider-Man Fallacy" (I.e. New York is a real city, therefore Spider-Man is real).
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