Praying to Mary and Saints................ (mystic, Christ, salvation, vain)
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That has nothing to do with it. Your understanding of jealous is as far as the earth is from Heaven. Of coarse God is not anal nor insecure but Glory belongs to God and not another and He defends it for His saints sake against all rivalry as a good husband should defend against rivalry for his wife.
You ought rather to say God is not intimidated by another but He is jealous and for good reason; to protect His own from ravinous wolfs in sheeps clothing who would try to steal the Glory even if they do it in ignorance. The Bible and the Spirit define who God is not you nor I.
Definition of JEALOUS
1 a: intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness
IS 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is My name: and My glory I will not give to another, neither My praise to graven images."
IS 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against his enemies." He shall take what belongs to Him!
All of you seriously underestimate God. You also give God the same human faults we have.
God knows the heart of a Polish person that is devoted to the Virgin. God knows if that person is righteous or not despite all the prayers to Mary and the Saints.
And if a person thinks Mary is goddess this would be known to God.
Most of you have a primitive OT barbaric view of God. Most of you see God in the same way the barbarians did 3000 years ago.
Fortunately God is not anal or jealous. Therefore, God hears all prayers.
I cannot imagine an insecure petty God that will ignore the Catholics that pray to Mary. If your God is like that then you have a serious problem in your theology.
This is truly sad that you make such comments after what was so beautifully written and inspired of the Holy Spirit. Julian, you really need to examine what you believe. This is not really even an issue about Mary but whether do you really know God by being born again/the Spirit of Supplication or do you just know about Him and religion.
This is truly sad that you make such comments after what was so beautifully written and inspired of the Holy Spirit. Julian, you really need to examine what you believe. This is not really even an issue about Mary but whether do you really know God by being born again/the Spirit of Supplication or do you just know about Him and religion.
This is about seeing God at a much higher level than you do.
Sola Scriptura is no different than Mariology. Both are man made. You need to move to the next level.
The Bible and the devotion to Mary are just spiritual enhancements. You are a bibliolatrist and God is MUCH more than the Bible. This may sound harsh to you, but IMHO it is the next step.
This is about seeing God at a much higher level than you do.
Sola Scriptura is no different than Mariology. Both are man made. You need to move to the next level.
The Bible and the devotion to Mary are just spiritual enhancements. You are a bibliolatrist and God is MUCH more than the Bible. This may sound harsh to you, but IMHO it is the next step.
No, I am not an adherent to Sola Scripture but anything extra biblical can not contradict what is already written because "Scripture can not be broken" and at the same time maintain the Truth that God is responsible to mankind for. You can break it as you will but God only honors Truth. The Spirit of Truth is supernatural and He instructs His own. It is written, "My sheep hear My voice."
And one of the reasons I am not Sola Scripture is: MT 13:52 "Then said He unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which brings forth out of his treasure things new and old."
I have said many things on this forum that are not specifically written but are inspired by God. Some things said already in Scripture but in new ways and some things that explain some of the "hidden manner". But I guess you didn't pay attention. Gee wiz, you don't know me at all.
Hard to keep up with all the acronyms. There are so many. What is IMHO.
This is about seeing God at a much higher level than you do.
Sola Scriptura is no different than Mariology. Both are man made. You need to move to the next level.
The Bible and the devotion to Mary are just spiritual enhancements. You are a bibliolatrist and God is MUCH more than the Bible. This may sound harsh to you, but IMHO it is the next step.
Since the Bible is scripture and all scripture is "God breathed" ... your open distain for scriptures is an open distain for God. God has not changed from the OT to the NT
OT
Isaiah 42:8
"I am the LORD: that is My name: and My glory I will not give to another, neither My praise to graven images."
NT
Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’ â€
Since the Bible is scripture and all scripture is "God breathed" ... your open distain for scriptures is an open distain for God. God has not changed from the OT to the NT
OT
Isaiah 42:8
"I am the LORD: that is My name: and My glory I will not give to another, neither My praise to graven images."
NT
Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’ ”
God is the same. What changes is man's perception of God.
The above verses are not directed at Christians. It is quite obvious the verses are about pagans. Those that are devoted to Mary are Christian. Pagans are not Christian.
it was not a request as we know, but a gracious request.
The first in the Hail Mary is repeating the words of the angel, ( honor
the second half of the Hail Mary is asking that she pray for not just self, but us, mankind now and at the end.
That's the Catholic understanding. Learning to say the rosary is education in Catholicism not something about cultures , but in attention to the gracious request. People have different religions and I think it's how it is supposed to be for learning off each other, but that is the reasoning in what you all are speaking to as I understand.( insofar as mis-understandings.
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God is the same. What changes is man's perception of God.
The above verses are not directed at Christians. It is quite obvious the verses are about pagans. Those that are devoted to Mary are Christian. Pagans are not Christian.
Use common sense.
bull hockey .... man's perception of God has always stayed the same.
There are those who vomit out accusations and despise his word (written or oral) and those who believe in them.
The children of the devil have always had enmity against the children of God and always will till Christ's
return when he exposes those who have animosity and degrading belligerent remarks \ commentaries
about his word (written \ oral) while parading around like their some kind of innocent angels.
Cain was no less guilty of that anymore than the last person on this earth will be when Jesus comes and
"will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
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