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Old 05-27-2013, 09:14 PM
 
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It all started with Moses and his books. Any religion that has anything to do with YHWHY and Moses is cursed.
This seems to be a constant theme with you, lol, ragging on ole Moses.

Obviously God chose him for reason.
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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It all started with Moses and his books. Any religion that has anything to do with YHWHY and Moses is cursed.

What is your malfunction Rider?
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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he's an archangel, not just an angel
God > archangel or any other type of angel.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:28 AM
 
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he's an archangel, not just an angel
My mistake. Be that as it may, God and Jesus are still above him.

Okay, apparently Vizio beat me to this.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:05 AM
 
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Jesus is God. He is "as powerful as the father".

When he made that statement in Matthew 24:35-37 ( "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father) he was speaking as a human.
While here on earth in his human form, Jesus conformed to human limitations to be as much like us as possible.

So as a human he had to grow, learn, and acquire wisdom the way we humans do.

Once he returned to heaven his humanness was gone and he had no more limitations.[/quote]

That state does not jive with this verse:

Col 1:19 because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him...

He was in bodily form when He ascended...
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:39 AM
 
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Michael the archangel or Jesus? They are clearly not the same.


You said...”They are clearly not thesame”, that's what MANY are taught by ministers who isn't sent byJesus or Jehovah God. Instead by satan, though NO one would believe,( 2Cor. 11:13-15 For such arefalse apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into theapostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformedinto an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if hisministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;whose end shall be according to their works). Though the God ofIsrael ,(Jehovah Exo.6:3), sent many Angels to earth, It was forprotecting his servants ,(Psa. 91:11 ,Luke 4:10). he sent them todeliver messages ,(Acts 27:23-25 ,Matt.1:20 ,Josh. 5:14). And evento destroy or when he's Angry ,(2 Sam. 24:16,17 ,Gen. 3:24 ,2 Kg. 19:35).



butONLY Jesus is to do the biggest of ALL jobs, save humans from totaldestruction. Through his teachings and death ,(John17:3 , John3:16,17 ,John15:15 ,Matt.6:9 ,John17:6-8 , Matt.20:28).it's Jesus who WILL rage war on wicked mankind ,(Psa.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until Imake thine enemies thy footstool), not any OTHER Angel, they will be his Heavenly army. The nameMichael means who is like God. Everyone from the Angels to mankind,was made in some way, in the image of God, But ONLY Jesus IS likeGod. When Jesus said at ,(John10:30 “I and my Father are one”). Though MANY are taught he meantthey were the same being. He meant he was totally in harmony witheverything his Father felt.



Theone leading the war in Heaven, was the first who was created , (Colo.1:14,15In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness ofsins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of everycreature), JESUS! If Jesus was over ALL Angels, why wouldn't JehovahGod give Jesus the honor of kicking those who disrespected his Fatherout of Heaven? Rev.19:19,20 shows the one seated on his "Horse" , waged war against satan,(the beast), his false ministers, and the governmental men.Question, If Jesus is going to war against satan again!, while he'son earth ,(Rev. 12:9),what makes many believe he didn't do it when satan was in Heaven?



Sorry!,but the Michael in Heaven, WAS the same Jesus who was sent to earth,(Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great princewhich standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be atime of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even tothat same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book). NO Angel is EVER calledthe “GREAT PRINCE”. and ONLY Jesus, will be the one who can savemankind. so yes!, they ARE, CLEARLY THE SAME. peace
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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You said...”They are clearly not thesame”, that's what MANY are taught by ministers who isn't sent byJesus or Jehovah God. Instead by satan, though NO one would believe,( 2Cor. 11:13-15 For such arefalse apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into theapostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformedinto an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if hisministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;whose end shall be according to their works). Though the God ofIsrael ,(Jehovah Exo.6:3), sent many Angels to earth, It was forprotecting his servants ,(Psa. 91:11 ,Luke 4:10). he sent them todeliver messages ,(Acts 27:23-25 ,Matt.1:20 ,Josh. 5:14). And evento destroy or when he's Angry ,(2 Sam. 24:16,17 ,Gen. 3:24 ,2 Kg. 19:35).



butONLY Jesus is to do the biggest of ALL jobs, save humans from totaldestruction. Through his teachings and death ,(John17:3 , John3:16,17 ,John15:15 ,Matt.6:9 ,John17:6-8 , Matt.20:28).it's Jesus who WILL rage war on wicked mankind ,(Psa.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until Imake thine enemies thy footstool), not any OTHER Angel, they will be his Heavenly army. The nameMichael means who is like God. Everyone from the Angels to mankind,was made in some way, in the image of God, But ONLY Jesus IS likeGod. When Jesus said at ,(John10:30 “I and my Father are one”). Though MANY are taught he meantthey were the same being. He meant he was totally in harmony witheverything his Father felt.



Theone leading the war in Heaven, was the first who was created , (Colo.1:14,15In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness ofsins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of everycreature), JESUS! If Jesus was over ALL Angels, why wouldn't JehovahGod give Jesus the honor of kicking those who disrespected his Fatherout of Heaven? Rev.19:19,20 shows the one seated on his "Horse" , waged war against satan,(the beast), his false ministers, and the governmental men.Question, If Jesus is going to war against satan again!, while he'son earth ,(Rev. 12:9),what makes many believe he didn't do it when satan was in Heaven?



Sorry!,but the Michael in Heaven, WAS the same Jesus who was sent to earth,(Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great princewhich standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be atime of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even tothat same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book). NO Angel is EVER calledthe “GREAT PRINCE”. and ONLY Jesus, will be the one who can savemankind. so yes!, they ARE, CLEARLY THE SAME. peace

I don't know why your post is so full of BB code, but bottom line is Jesus IS the Son of God, NOT Michael the Arch Angel. Read the beginning of Matthew and Luke...it's very clear. Jesus was CONCEIVED of the Holy Spirit.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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While here on earth in his human form, Jesus conformed to human limitations to be as much like us as possible.

So as a human he had to grow, learn, and acquire wisdom the way we humans do.

Once he returned to heaven his humanness was gone and he had no more limitations.
That state does not jive with this verse:

Col 1:19 because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him...

He was in bodily form when He ascended...[/quote]

Jesus was fully human and fully divine while on earth, but he had some human "limitations" in order to BE fully human.

Luke 2:52 says "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature" - meaning he had to learn things like any other human born on earth.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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I don't know why your post is so full of BB code, but bottom line is Jesus IS the Son of God, NOT Michael the Arch Angel. Read the beginning of Matthew and Luke...it's very clear. Jesus was CONCEIVED of the Holy Spirit.
Never ceases to amaze me how often and badly some can misinterpret the Bible!
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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What if all the archangels teamed up, would they be more powerful than Jesus?
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