Philippians 2:10,11 Every Tongue Will Acknowledge That Jesus is Lord. But Many as His Defeated Enemy. Not out of Love. (Matthew, convert)

[sciotamicks]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

We have, but because you and many others in this world still have a heart of stone the truth of Gods love for all and his plan and purpose of the ages to bring all things together in one in Christ and save all people cannot penetrate it. God has not yet given you a heart of flesh to receive his true purpose and the full extent of his mercy. You still believe eternal torment is a good thing because you are violent and greedy and cannot accept the truth of the scriptures and you love a lie more than the truth so you have believed a lie and are under strong delusion.

No you haven't. You have only produced mere inferences.

You believe even though God wants to save all people that he is not able to and thus he is a failure and you believe evil is more powerful than good and that the power of the devil to deceive is greater than the power of Christ to save. And you believe that God returns evil for evil for eternity even though he takes no pleasure even in the death of the wicked. God allows you to be deceived so that he can show his power when judgment comes upon you either in this life or after you die and the riches of his glory when he shows his mercy to you and all other violent and hate filled men and women. Only then will you be given a heart of flesh and be able to receive the true Gospel of Gods love for all and his plan for the restitution of all things in Christ, and not before. Dont worry scitamicks, one day you will be able to understand these spiritual things and repent and acknowledge the truth of the reconciliation of all things to God in Christ our lord.

I don't worry.

God desires all people to be saved even more than we who believe in UR do because is love and mercy are so much greater even than our understanding of love and mercy. God does not have a pipe dream, god will accomplish everything he desire s to accomplish and all that pleases him will come to pass because nothing is impossible to him and his word who is Christ will not return to him void or in vain. Christ is not a failure, he came not to destroy the world but that through him the world might be saved, and he came to heal the sickness of sin in the lives of all the lost and he will not fail even though you believe he is weak and a failure and unable to get what he want most which is the salvation of all people

Inference.

How's that for one liners?

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

1Ti 2:3-4
for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth



Christ chooses us, we do not choose him. If we believe in God it is because God has given us repentance to acknowledge the truth and faith to believe. It is God who works within us to will and do what pleases him.

God chooses everyone who answers the call of the Gospel message in the affirmative. God provides the Gospel message which God the Holy Spirit makes perspicacious to the spiritually dead unbeliever. After having understood the issue, the responsibility falls to the hearer of the Gospel to make a volitional choice regarding Christ. Romans 10:11-18

Phl 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


Jhn 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.


2Ti 2:25
in meekness instructing those opposing -- if perhaps God may give to them repentance to an acknowledging of the truth


Rom 12:3
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.





Yes, and God is so great, and his power so potent that nothing is impossible for him, he will make it so that before all is said and done, all people will turn to him and worship him and confess Christ is lord and be saved.

If God wants to save all people and nothing is impossible for him then he can and will save all people. If he doesn't then he is to weak and is a failure, OR he is lying when he says that he will/intends to/desires to have all people saved. Its that simple.


Yes yes yes, one everyone will believe before all is said and done. Every tongue will confess willingly and joyously in celebration and praise that Jesus is lord to the glory of the father.

You simply cant receive it because you are violent in your heart of stone and think its a good thing that most people will be tortured for eternity.


Romans 11 says that blindness "happened" to Israel in order that God could have mercy on all people. But through they are enemies of the gospel for the sake of all gentiles, they are believed of the father for the sake of election, and so when the fullness of the gentiles comes in, all Israel will be saved even though they rejected Christ and had him killed.

Again you simply cannot receive it because you believe in your heart that the idea that most people will be tortured for ever is good.


Nemaste ...

You continue to make irrational statements and simply will not believe the Scriptures which you don't like. This is the delusion of the universalist.

No further communication with you is of any use as you simply reject the truth and cling to the unscriptural teachings of universalism.

I refer interested readers back to posts #325 and 332.

[Hezzekiah]

Amen. The only judgment and sentencing that has yet taken place has primarily been by the mouths of the eternal punishing group or the total anniliation group. Actually, the fat lady ain't sung yet. God will save all His creatures in due time, each in his own order.

The Orthodox churches have already declared Satan the landslide champion in the battle for men's souls. According to them, Christ has only saved 2 billion souls whil satan, without a church on every corner or a few million hireling pastors has without breaking a sweat, claimed ten billion souls!!

Paul says everyone will be saved and everyone will one day know the truth. I guess all these who preach the hideous doctrine of Christ's total failure in the very mission His Father sent Him to accomplish already know the truth, LOL.

[sciotamicks]

Originally Posted by Hezzekiah

Amen. The only judgment and sentencing that has yet taken place has primarily been by the mouths of the eternal punishing group or the total anniliation group. Actually, the fat lady ain't sung yet. God will save all His creatures in due time, each in his own order.

The Orthodox churches have already declared Satan the landslide champion in the battle for men's souls. According to them, Christ has only saved 2 billion souls whil satan, without a church on every corner or a few million hireling pastors has without breaking a sweat, claimed ten billion souls!!

Paul says everyone will be saved and everyone will one day know the truth. I guess all these who preach the hideous doctrine of Christ's total failure in the very mission His Father sent Him to accomplish already know the truth, LOL.

Let's settle this eisegetical nonsense.
Let the readers of the forum decide whether this really means God WILL have all men come to salvation and the knowledge of the truth shall we?

Matthew 16:24 τότε ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ· εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἐλθεῖν, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Matthew 27:43 πέποιθεν ἐπὶ τὸν θεόν, ῥυσάσθω νῦν εἰ θέλει αὐτόν· εἶπεν γὰρ ὅτι θεοῦ εἰμι υἱός.
He trusts in God. Let God deliver him now, if he wants him; for he said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Mark 8:34 καὶ προσκαλεσάμενος τὸν ὄχλον σὺν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἐλθεῖν / ἀκολουθεῖν, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, "Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Mark 9:35 καὶ καθίσας ἐφώνησεν τοὺς δώδεκα καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς· εἴ τις θέλει πρῶτος εἶναι, ἔσται πάντων ἔσχατος καὶ πάντων διάκονος.
He sat down, and called the twelve; and he said to them, "If any man wants to be first, he shall be last of all, and servant of all."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 5:39 [καὶ] οὐδεὶς πιὼν παλαιὸν θέλει νέον· λέγει γάρ· ὁ παλαιὸς χρηστός ἐστιν.
No man having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, 'The old is better.'"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 9:23 ἔλεγεν δὲ πρὸς πάντας· εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἔρχεσθαι ἀρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καθ' ἡμέραν καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
He said to all, "If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 13:31 ἐν αὐτῇ τῇ ὥρᾳ προσῆλθάν τινες Φαρισαῖοι λέγοντες αὐτῷ· ἔξελθε καὶ πορεύου ἐντεῦθεν ὅτι Ἡρῴδης θέλει σε ἀποκτεῖναι.
On that same day, some Pharisees came, saying to him, "Get out of here, and go away, for Herod wants to kill you."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

John 3:8 τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει πνεῖ καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτοῦ ἀκούεις, ἀλλ' οὐκ οἶδας πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει· οὕτως ἐστὶν πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος.
The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

John 5:21 ὥσπερ γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ ἐγείρει τοὺς νεκροὺς καὶ ζῳοποιεῖ, οὕτως καὶ ὁ υἱὸς οὓς θέλει ζῳοποιεῖ.
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Acts 2:12 ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο / διηπόρουν, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες· τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
They were all amazed, and were perplexed, saying one to another, "What does this mean?"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Acts 17:20 ξενίζοντα γάρ τινα εἰσφέρεις εἰς τὰς ἀκοὰς ἡμῶν· βουλόμεθα οὖν γνῶναι τίνα θέλει ταῦτα εἶναι.
For you bring certain strange things to our ears. We want to know therefore what these things mean."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Romans 9:18 ἄρα οὖν ὃν θέλει ἐλεεῖ ὃν δὲ θέλει σκληρύνει.
So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Romans 9:18 ἄρα οὖν ὃν θέλει ἐλεεῖ ὃν δὲ θέλει σκληρύνει.
So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

1 Corinthians 7:36 Εἰ δέ τις ἀσχημονεῖν ἐπὶ τὴν παρθένον αὐτοῦ νομίζει, ἐὰν ᾖ ὑπέρακμος καὶ οὕτως ὀφείλει γίνεσθαι, ὃ θέλει ποιείτω οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει, γαμείτωσαν.
But if any man thinks that he is behaving inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of her age, and if need so requires, let him do what he desires. He doesn't sin. Let them marry.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

1 Corinthians 7:39 Γυνὴ δέδεται ἐφ' ὅσον χρόνον ζῇ ὁ ἀνὴρ αὐτῆς· ἐὰν δὲ κοιμηθῇ ὁ ἀνήρ, ἐλευθέρα ἐστὶν ᾧ θέλει γαμηθῆναι μόνον ἐν κυρίῳ.
A wife is bound by law for as long as her husband lives; but if the husband is dead, she is free to be married to whoever she desires, only in the Lord.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

2 Thessalonians 3:10 καὶ γὰρ ὅτε ἦμεν πρὸς ὑμᾶς, τοῦτο παρηγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν ὅτι, εἴ τις οὐ θέλει ἐργάζεσθαι μηδὲ ἐσθιέτω.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: "If anyone will not work, neither let him eat."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

1 Timothy 2:4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of the truth.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Revelation 2:21 καὶ ἔδωκα αὐτῇ χρόνον ἵνα μετανοήσῃ καὶ οὐ θέλει μετανοῆσαι ἐκ τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς.
I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Revelation 11:5 καὶ εἴ τις αὐτοὺς θέλει ἀδικῆσαι πῦρ ἐκπορεύεται ἐκ τοῦ στόματος αὐτῶν καὶ κατεσθίει τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῶν· καὶ εἴ τις θελήσῃ αὐτοὺς ἀδικῆσαι, οὕτως δεῖ αὐτὸν ἀποκτανθῆναι.
If anyone desires to harm them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. If anyone desires to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

It appears all you universalists have got it all wrong.

Bye Bye universalist paradigm of 1 Tim 2:4.

I rest my case, once again. Would you all like me to keep going?

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by Hezzekiah

Amen. The only judgment and sentencing that has yet taken place has primarily been by the mouths of the eternal punishing group or the total anniliation group. Actually, the fat lady ain't sung yet. God will save all His creatures in due time, each in his own order.

The Orthodox churches have already declared Satan the landslide champion in the battle for men's souls. According to them, Christ has only saved 2 billion souls whil satan, without a church on every corner or a few million hireling pastors has without breaking a sweat, claimed ten billion souls!!

Paul says everyone will be saved and everyone will one day know the truth. I guess all these who preach the hideous doctrine of Christ's total failure in the very mission His Father sent Him to accomplish already know the truth, LOL.

Excellent post, Hezzekiah. Welcome to the forum!

[.sparrow.]

It tires me out sometimes just reading some of the posts here.

Love.

That's it.
That's truth.
God IS love.

Fight against love all you want... fight against how God is just and merciful and true. Fight against the fact that God's plan includes all human beings. Fight against the fact that God's love is for ALL human beings, Fight against the fact that He will be all in all, Fight against the fact that in Christ, all shall be made alive. Fight against the fact that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all mankind. Fight against the fact that death is the last enemy. Fight against the fact that all knees will bow and all tongues will SWEAR allegiance, Fight against the glad tidings which is good news for ALL people. Fight against Love conquers all. Keep fighting... all you're going to do is exhaust yourself.

and when you are finally utterly and completely EXHAUSTED.... THAT is when God will reveal a particular something to you. And you know what? It's going to make you happier and more at peace than you have ever been in your entire life.

Revelation. God will knock you to your knees. And the stuff you used to believe was truth will be reduced to dust. God will knock you to your knees. But it's not what you think. It's a good thing. The weight of His love is what will knock you to your knees. One day.

You can have all knowledge but if you have not love, then you have nothing. In the blink of an eye, one day, all that you've fought for will be reduced to dust. But I guarantee... you are not going to care one bit. Your joy will be great. And that makes me happy.
We really ARE all in this together.
He is our Creator.
He is our Father.
His plan is perfect:

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

It tires me out sometimes just reading some of the posts here.

Love.

That's it.
That's truth.
God IS love.

Fight against love all you want... fight against how God is just and merciful and true. Fight against the fact that God's plan includes all human beings. Fight against the fact that God's love is for ALL human beings, Fight against the fact that He will be all in all, Fight against the fact that in Christ, all shall be made alive. Fight against the fact that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all mankind. Fight against the fact that death is the last enemy. Fight against the fact that all knees will bow and all tongues will SWEAR allegiance, Fight against the glad tidings which is good news for ALL people. Fight against Love conquers all. Keep fighting... all you're going to do is exhaust yourself.

and when you are finally utterly and completely EXHAUSTED.... THAT is when God will reveal a particular something to you. And you know what? It's going to make you happier and more at peace than you have ever been in your entire life.

Revelation. God will knock you to your knees. And the stuff you used to believe was truth will be reduced to dust. God will knock you to your knees. But it's not what you think. It's a good thing. The weight of His love is what will knock you to your knees. One day.

You can have all knowledge but if you have not love, then you have nothing. In the blink of an eye, one day, all that you've fought for will be reduced to dust. But I guarantee... you are not going to care one bit. Your joy will be great. And that makes me happy.
We really ARE all in this together.
He is our Creator.
He is our Father.
His plan is perfect:

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

God's love will not prevent Him from complying with the demands of His righteousness in sending those who reject His gift of salvation to the eternal lake of fire. You keep talking about love, but you understand nothing about God's essence. He will do as He has said He will do in passages such as Revelation 20:10-15 and Matthew 25:41,46. Your beliefs are not grounded in reality.

[.sparrow.]

Originally Posted by Mike555

You keep talking about love, but you understand nothing about God's essence.

Just my opinion, but I think that sentence very much sums up what is askew with your view of our Creator.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

It tires me out sometimes just reading some of the posts here.

Love.

That's it.
That's truth.
God IS love.

Fight against love all you want... fight against how God is just and merciful and true. Fight against the fact that God's plan includes all human beings. Fight against the fact that God's love is for ALL human beings, Fight against the fact that He will be all in all, Fight against the fact that in Christ, all shall be made alive. Fight against the fact that Jesus Christ is the saviour of all mankind. Fight against the fact that death is the last enemy. Fight against the fact that all knees will bow and all tongues will SWEAR allegiance, Fight against the glad tidings which is good news for ALL people. Fight against Love conquers all. Keep fighting... all you're going to do is exhaust yourself.

and when you are finally utterly and completely EXHAUSTED.... THAT is when
God will reveal a particular something to you. And you know what? It's going to make you happier and more at peace than you have ever been in your entire life.

Revelation. God will knock you to your knees. And the stuff you used to believe was truth will be reduced to dust. God will knock you to your knees. But it's not what you think. It's a good thing. The weight of His love is what will knock you to your knees. One day.

You can have all knowledge but if you have not love, then you have nothing. In the blink of an eye, one day, all that you've fought for will be reduced to dust. But I guarantee... you are not going to care one bit. Your joy will be great. And that makes me happy.

We really ARE all in this together.
He is our Creator.
He is our Father.
His plan is perfect:

And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

Amen, sparrow! Love conquers ALL!

It's not love conquers some and then leaves a huge pocket of evil for eternity.

Love conquers ALL.

[.sparrow.]

God IS love.

What you've said Mike555 is pretty much the same thing as someone saying "Well, you keep talking about trees, but you understand nothing about the forest's essence".