08-28-2009, 11:49 AM
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...The others (not all outfielders) were...
Nothing in this article talks about racial comments made towards D. Lee and A. Soriano.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1527182,CST-SPT-cub15.article (broken link)
08-28-2009, 11:59 AM
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Avenger,
you and I NEVER see eye to eye on anything but I will say, don't waste your time with this. You're much to smart to get worked up over this nonsense.
It's very obvious what's going on here. Call a spade a spade. Don't even entertain them.
Peace,
Ron
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Maybe you are conspiring to kick up arguments against Chicago with false information to keep people like Jesse Jackson stay in power and rolling in dough. It seems like you a trolling now. I mean you came to the Illinois Forums because you were considering moving to the Chicago area. Now after finding out $750 a month is not going to get you very far here (this is the case for many other places as well) you post a inflammatory thread about Chicago. You have never lived here and as far as I know never visited Chicago. Yet you are speaking like you are so sure Chicago is the most racist place on the face of the earth. Have you attended Cub games and witnessed racist remarks to players first hand? Nope.
08-28-2009, 12:03 PM
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Here is another article which mentions that Tori Hunter had the Cubs under his no-trade clause because of the racist chants.
Bush League Times: April 2009
08-28-2009, 12:04 PM
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I will agree with this. I did hear it discussed on Comcast Sports Net last night.
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The newspaper article does not mention Derrick Lee or Alfonso Soriano, those two were mentioned on ESPN. But I'll just take YOUR word over all those other players/manager or the Chicago Sun times and ESPN. People with psycoses like yourself are far more reliable.
08-28-2009, 12:09 PM
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"filled" is a ridiculous exaggeration, but as Derrek Lee is a class act, I'll take his word on this:Bradley blaming writers after 0-for-5 day, 5-4 loss :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Cubs (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1739415,CST-SPT-cub28.article - broken link)
Avenger, this is Derrek Lee saying he's heard the comments. That's not that they've been directed at him, but it does lend IMO some credibility to the complaint.
I still think Bradley is just an overpaid whining pile of suckitude, but it wouldn't surprise me that in a crowd of 40,000 you get a few stone-cold racists. All I can say is that in my 30+ years of going to Wrigley I've never heard one.
08-28-2009, 12:10 PM
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Here is another article which mentions that Tori Hunter had the Cubs under his no-trade clause because of the racist chants.
Bush League Times: April 2009
If you actually read this page in this link ( and if you notice it is from April 15th 2009 ) you would see that the writer is scoffing at this whole race baiting situation.
"...It doesn't figure to help that Bradley is off to a 1-for-17 start -- the kind of slow start that led to fans booing All-Stars Derrek Lee and Alfonso Soriano in their first seasons with the Cubs.
Lee -- who was hit with chants of ''Hee Seop Choi! Hee Seop Choi!'' for the first baseman the Cubs traded to Florida to get him -- was one of the veterans who talked with Bradley before spring training to let him know what to expect in Chicago.
If I boo Bradley because he starts the year 1-17, am I a racist? Am I still allowed to cheer or boo based on performance or do I run the risk of missing out on Type-A free agents?
Also, chanting "Hee Seop Choi!" is not racist. It's incredibly stupid, but it's not racist..."
Bush League Times: April 2009
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08-28-2009, 12:14 PM
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Avenger, this is Derrek Lee saying he's heard the comments. That's not that they've been directed at him, but it does lend IMO some credibility to the complaint...
I did see that and I am not denying that he has heard comments. But again, he never states who the players were and does not say any were directed towards himself. Also, he is not quoted, the writer is relaying information but is not quoting Lee.
I find it peculiar that this whole Milton Bradley debacle all of the sudden starts up earlier this year around Jacky Robinson Day. And now when Bradley and the Cubs play is going down the crap tubes Bradley resurrects it.
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08-28-2009, 12:18 PM
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I find it peculiar that this whole Milton Bradley debacle all of the sudden comes to a head a few days before Jacky Robinson Day (which is today.)
I think it's mostly due to Bradley stinking up the joint so bad against the worst team in the bloody league, and clearly trying to deflect responsibility for that.
To say he's been a disappointment is one hell of an understatement.
08-28-2009, 12:19 PM
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Ok well post the link where Lee and Soriano are quoted that they have been victims of racial taunts.
There is no "link" to a live broadcast of ESPN, I guess you just have to watch. They reported that Derreck Lee and Alfonso Soriano admitted to hearing racial slurs hurled at players at Wrigley Field in Chicago. But why are you so concerned about just those two players? You don't care that all those other players (Cameron, Jones, Hunter, Hawkins) plus Dusty Baker reported such incidents?
And why do you think I'm black now? Because I asked about the number of racist incidents at Wrigley Field??? It is currently in the news and is about some apparent culture in the city of Chicago (that's this forum right??) and whether you are a baseball fan like my husband or a activist against racism like myself, it needs to be talked about. Or did you assume I'm black because my name is Whinnie? I don't think anyone on an internet forum ever assumed I was black before. Great job letting those underlying sterotypes come gushing out. This should be TALKED about, not argued about as you are doing.
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08-28-2009, 12:32 PM
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There is no "link" to a live broadcast of ESPN, I guess you just have to watch. They said that Derreck Lee and Alfonso Soriano have admitted to hearing racial slurs hurled at players at Wrigley. But why are you so concerned about just those two? You don't care that all those other players plus Dusty Baker were targeted?...
Did they interview them on camera or are they just quoting an article that does not quote Soriano or Lee and states hearsay to begin with?
If Dusty Baker and Latroy Hawkins were "targeted" how come they did not file reports/complaints with the proper authorities (like the U.S. Postal Service,F.B.I.,Chicago Police, etc...?)
Threatening or harassing someone by mail or telephone are serious offenses. Threatening someone with racial comments is an offense on many levels.
If this really happened and Baker (and/or Hawkins) went to the proper authorities I would expect arrest(s) and/or court cases would have followed.
I have heard of neither stemming from these supposed incidents.
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...or a activist against racism like myself, it needs to be talked about...
Thanks for admitting that. Now your true intentions have been proven. You came on this site to cause and start trouble.
You are not worth speaking to anymore.
You really mean an activist to perpetuate racism don't you?
I bet Al and Jesse have you on speed dial.
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People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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