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Old 10-13-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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Haha, corruption? The city unemployment rate is going down, the crime is going down, the transportation is rated the second best in the country, what does the ghetto culture have to do with anything? Go away newbies! Learn what city data is first, that's why half of the newbies get banned from this website.
What does corruption have to do with Unemployment?

Crime is going down compared to a devastatingly deadly 2012 but is on par with 2011 last time I checked.

CTA second best in the country? I guess it depends on who you ask since US News and World doesn't even have Chicago in its top 10. Sure its convenient but the stations are antiquated, rarely on time, dirty and at times very unsafe (Red Line anyone?). Ever been to Berlin? Now thats a public transportation system.

Ghetto culture is a plague in a lot of poor neighborhoods. You have parents telling their kids that the only way out of the hood is through rap music or playing basketball, instead of education. You don't have to believe or agree with what I say, I could care less. I'm a LIFE long Chicagoan, not a transplant from Wisconsin or Michigan or one of these Chicagoan's who fled the city to live in Indiana. I love this City with all my heart and I will continue hope that things improve, but I'm not going to sit here and lie and believe that everything is roses and candy over here.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Crime is going down compared to a devastatingly deadly 2012 but is on par with 2011 last time I checked.
You are talking about homicides there, but it's been going down on average for awhile. Not in every neighborhood, but little by little.

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CTA second best in the country?
I think he might have meant largest, like most coverage, which is true. Best though as you know and point out is a subjective term. I actually like DC's train system more than Chicago's, but Chicago's system is larger.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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I think he might have meant largest, like most coverage, which is true. Best though as you know and point out is a subjective term. I actually like DC's train system more than Chicago's, but Chicago's system is larger.
Speaking of Asia, DC's train system reminds me more of the ones I've seen there-- much quieter, cleaner, and faster than Chicago's, which is based on 100+ year old technology at this point. Hopefully public trans eventually becomes more of a priority here.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Also, I'm not trying to be a troll lol.

Honestly if we all have the mindset that everything is wonderful then obviously nothing will get done to improve things that need to be improved. Chicago is a great City, but it has the potential to be the BEST city in the world. I really do believe this.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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Honestly if we all have the mindset that everything is wonderful then obviously nothing will get done to improve things that need to be improved.
No doubt about that. It's just important that we use facts/reality as a starting point rather than hype or sensationalism when evaluating need for improvement. What you call "devastating" is one of the lowest homicide rates in our city in 50 years, and less than half of what it was 20 years ago. We're a long way from ideal, but we're headed in the right direction. I think we'd all like to see the pace of that improvement increase, but labeling a positive trend as a negative one does nothing to help anyone.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Speaking of Asia, DC's train system reminds me more of the ones I've seen there-- much quieter, cleaner, and faster than Chicago's, which is based on 100+ year old technology at this point. Hopefully public trans eventually becomes more of a priority here.
Yep. The one I rode in Singapore was more like DC's than Chicago's. Very clean, smooth, and fast. You could also freely move from one "car" to the next and it didn't involve going outside on a little narrow pathway. Everything was evenly connected. Very good system, though when you buy your fares, it can be confusing because they make you input which stop you're going to and if you don't know the system very well, it can take awhile.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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You have parents telling their kids that the only way out of the hood is through rap music or playing basketball, instead of education.
If you replace "parents" with "most of society," I agree with you. Education, especially for the poor, is not something for which we have demonstrated a value in our country in recent decades. We reap what we sow.

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Old 10-13-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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No doubt about that. It's just important that we use facts/reality as a starting point rather than hype or sensationalism when evaluating need for improvement. What you call "devastating" is one of the lowest homicide rates in our city in 50 years, and less than half of what it was 20 years ago. We're a long way from ideal, but we're headed in the right direction. I think we'd all like to see the pace of that improvement increase, but labeling a positive trend as a negative one does nothing to help anyone.
But its hard make the argument that it wasn't devastating on the image of Chicago as a whole. 518 murders after 3 years of declining numbers is never good for business, especially when crime around the country is declining.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Yep. The one I rode in Singapore was more like DC's than Chicago's. Very clean, smooth, and fast. You could also freely move from one "car" to the next and it didn't involve going outside on a little narrow pathway.
Yep. Same thing in Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

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Everything was evenly connected. Very good system, though when you buy your fares, it can be confusing because they make you input which stop you're going to and if you don't know the system very well, it can take awhile.
Interesting. In Taipei you scan your card at both the beginning and end of your ride, and it automatically deducts your fare based on distance between stops, just like DC's. I'd find what you describe in Singapore to be annoying, because I often change my mind about which stop I'm going to after I'm already on the train. What happens if you get off at a different stop than you entered at the beginning?
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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But its hard make the argument that it wasn't devastating on the image of Chicago as a whole. 518 murders after 3 years of declining numbers is never good for business, especially when crime around the country is declining.
Thank god, for tourism, that it doesn't spill over much into those areas anymore. If it did, then I think we'd be ****ed. I agree that Chicago has the ability to be one of the greatest/best cities in the world, and it may be *up there* in the top 50 or something, but it's not *the* greatest/best. I LOVE Chicago, but I actually get kind of irked when people say this and if you've been on here long enough, you know that I do love this city.
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