Chicago segregation, other cities are just as bad. (income, to live)

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

What major city is more segregated than Chicago?

By this list's definition NYC, Newark (if you consider that a "major city"), Detroit and Milwaukee. By some lists' definitions, nobody.

I have to say I see their point with Detroit and arguably Milwaukee, but not with NYC. Looking at the maps, NYC at least has some major areas (entire boroughs, even) that are very mixed in a way that only a few small neighborhoods are in Chicago.

[ColdAilment]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

What major city is more segregated than Chicago?

Did you even read the list?

Newark
Milwaukee
New York
Detroit

In that order are all more segregated than Chicago.

[Lorielicious]

Oh, because I always thought Chicago was the most segregated. And before anyone gripes about the HuffPo link, full report here.

Edited: Yes, I looked at the link (thanks for asking!) and it's old, btw. Well not the link itself, but the data and the maps. They've actually been discussed in this very forum before.

[msamhunter]

There's segregation of jim crow and there's segregation of today. Jim crow was literally forcing groups to live in certain areas just because which was bad. Today's segregation runs mainly along economic lines with legacy jim crow thrown in which isn't always good but not always bad either. It all depends on the natural migration of given city. Chicago is slowly breaking that with the black community as more of the populous moves into the middle class. As a kid, didn't matter, you lived in the hood, middle class or not. Wasn't much of a choice back then. Over time the city's dynamic will change in a new natural progression based off of economic similarity and not race.

Areas with natural migration patterns probably won't change much. Indy wont change much. It's migration is just north. Approx 250k people actually live south of washington st and that will continue. Granted being black in indy and living south was a no no in indiana and that perception hasn't changed nor has some of the realities of racism on the sw and se sides. Once you're north everyone lives everywhere and you'll find one of everyone on each block most of the time.

[Attrill]

Segregation is difficult to define and quantify, and this example is a pretty poor attempt.

A good example of the problem of quantifying segregation is that any listing gives a pass to cities that have no diversity whatsoever. Where's Salt Lake City, Burlington Vt, or Pittsburgh on this list?

[marothisu]

By the way, the segregation from this article is about black-white segregation only...

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

There's segregation of jim crow and there's segregation of today. Jim crow was literally forcing groups to live in certain areas just because which was bad. Today's segregation runs mainly along economic lines with legacy jim crow thrown in which isn't always good but not always bad either. It all depends on the natural migration of given city. Chicago is slowly breaking that with the black community as more of the populous moves into the middle class. As a kid, didn't matter, you lived in the hood, middle class or not. Wasn't much of a choice back then. Over time the city's dynamic will change in a new natural progression based off of economic similarity and not race.

Areas with natural migration patterns probably won't change much. Indy wont change much. It's migration is just north. Approx 250k people actually live south of washington st and that will continue. Granted being black in indy and living south was a no no in indiana and that perception hasn't changed nor has some of the realities of racism on the sw and se sides. Once you're north everyone lives everywhere and you'll find one of everyone on each block most of the time.

I agree ! Segregation by race is slowly but surely starting to improve.

[rubbersoul89]

while chicago might be the 5th worst according to that list, i don't see anywhere in any of those other cities that are as diverse as certain northside neighborhoods.

[cali3448893]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Agreed.
Chicago has nothing to brag about with regards to Segregation and crime. it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.

smh...

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Attrill

A good example of the problem of quantifying segregation is that any listing gives a pass to cities that have no diversity whatsoever. Where's Salt Lake City, Burlington Vt, or Pittsburgh on this list?

Pittsburgh is #18 on the list.