De Facto Segregation in Chicago (Cicero, Berwyn: living, zoning, legal)

[A2DAC1985]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Never mind, then. I thought you were learning. I think you still don't understand what de facto segregation means.

It's not a matter of opinion. It's an observable fact. When some neighborhoods are 90% Black and some are 90% White, that's called segregation, by definition. Why it exists may involve some degree of opinion, but its actual existence does not.

It doesn't have to involve anyone "making" anyone live anywhere. That's what makes it de facto segregation rather than an official policy of segregation.

Got it? If not, I give up.

No, you explained it perfectly.

And I think I got it before you posted this, but I will give you the credit for opening my eyes.

Now, you can get more credit from me.

Why does it exist then?

I think it's because of money.

Do you have another idea?

[Lorielicious]

So first you didn't know what "de facto" meant, and now you do (maybe), but segregation doesn't exist, except that it does, but it's strictly a class thing. Always good to see well-considered posts here. In any case, he already answered your question. It was in post #20, remember?

Originally Posted by A little refresher for you

That's certainly part of it, but it's far more complex than that. If it were strictly about money, you'd see more poor white and latino families in Englewood, working class black families in Bridgeport, and upper middle class black people in lakeview and lincoln park. You don't.

Much of this was created by a history of discriminatory housing practices. There's a lot out there you can read up on about this if it interests you.

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by Drover

I don't even know how to address the stunning naivete of someone who believes anyone can just move into any part of the city and settle in comfortably. You have to be either willfully or actually blind to not plainly see the de facto segregation in this town.

Clearly I shouldn't have repped you for making me laugh earlier, because this is the post most worthy.

[A2DAC1985]

Originally Posted by Drover

I don't even know how to address the stunning naivete of someone who believes anyone can just move into any part of the city and settle in comfortably. You have to be either willfully or actually blind to not plainly see the de facto segregation in this town.

Maybe you're confusing "De Facto Segregation" with "People Choosing to Live Where They Want to Live", or "Cultural Preferences".



Because if the money was there, a person could live where they wanted to.

Maybe people live in a housing style/environment in which they are comfortable with. Is that a possibility?

[Lorielicious]

Originally Posted by A2DAC1985

Maybe you're confusing "De Facto Segregation" with "People Choosing to Live Where They Want to Live", or "Cultural Preferences".

[Chicago60614]

Is there a point to this thread?

[rparz]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

Is there a point to this thread?

Yes, race baiting about segregation when the ethnic groups choose to cluster together of their own free will.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

Is there a point to this thread?

Do you prefer this or the bike thread?

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by A2DAC1985

What's a "large city" to you? New York? Los Angeles? Is that it? Do the spots #4 through whatever matter?

Well, those are the two that we're going to be most compared to domestically, yes. I don't often hear Chicago compared to #4 Houston, but Houston is not going to be on anyone's list of most segregated cities, anyway, so that's moot.

I recently pointed out on another thread that the type of segregation that exists in Chicago exists in much of the U.S. Great Lakes area (as evidenced by Detroit and Milwaukee ranking ahead of Chicago on the list you linked to), but since Chicago is the largest city in this area and the only one that considers itself a "global city", it gets noticed more. I was surprised to see NYC ranking ahead of Chicago on that list, though. I'm interested to know more about exactly how they measured that, but not interested enough to dig to try to find out.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by A2DAC1985

Why does it exist then?

I think it's because of money.

Do you have another idea?

I addressed this earlier in the thread, as Lorie pointed out. It's complex, with money being one of many factors.

Originally Posted by A2DAC1985

Maybe you're confusing "De Facto Segregation" with "People Choosing to Live Where They Want to Live", or "Cultural Preferences".

Those things are also factors in de facto segregation. (Though, as with the other, you're naively and grossly oversimplifying them.) No one but you is "confusing" anything here.

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

Exactly.