Chicago's soaring murder rate (move to, suburbs, percent)

[Plzeň]

Originally Posted by Dream Chaser

Chicago murders are high compared to last year. Last year murders were low.

Exactly. "Soaring" is quite an exaggeration when the numbers are on pace to be about 60% of what they averaged for many years until rather recently.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Sounds like they need a pow wow with NYC, which is three times as big and has roughly the same number of homicides annually.

Right, we could basically price and gentrify the impoverished criminal class out of the city like New York has. Of course, that means the impoverished not-criminal class and a good chunk of the middle class would need to leave the city too. And while that would make the city a nicer place, it would also mean fewer people could actually afford to enjoy it.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by Drover

Right, we could basically price and gentrify the impoverished criminal class out of the city like New York has. Of course, that means the impoverished not-criminal class and a good chunk of the middle class would need to leave the city too. And while that would make the city a nicer place, it would also mean fewer people could actually afford to enjoy it.

Yeah? That's the reality in the Bronx, Queens and all of Brooklyn?

I won't pretend to be that familiar with NYC but I've never heard that before.

So you don't attribute any of their homicide decrease to anything else except gentrification?

[Drover]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Yeah? That's the reality in the Bronx, Queens and all of Brooklyn?

I won't pretend to be that familiar with NYC but I've never heard that before.

So you don't attribute any of their homicide decrease to anything else except gentrification?

See how many 1BR apartment listings in the Bronx you find on Craigslist for under $1K/mo. My (admittedly rather unscientific and hasty) search found 3x as many in Albany Park alone as I found in all of the Bronx.

[Plzeň]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Yeah? That's the reality in the Bronx, Queens and all of Brooklyn?

Pretty much, yes. It's not the case in Bronx or the extreme northern part of Manhattan, but a much higher percentage of NYC than Chicago is heavily gentrified, and most of the poor and working class who lived there in the 70's and 80's now live in outlying areas surrounding the city. Chicago is trending that way, but is nowhere close.

[j_cat]

Originally Posted by Plzeň

Pretty much, yes. It's not the case in Bronx or the extreme northern part of Manhattan, but a much higher percentage of NYC than Chicago is heavily gentrified, and most of the poor and working class who lived there in the 70's and 80's now live in outlying areas surrounding the city. Chicago is trending that way, but is nowhere close.

It's really hard to predict: almost every Chicago neighborhood has some qualities that may eventually spur gentrification, but a lot of them will be waiting an awfully long time, and I'm not sure there will ever be enough Iowans or dissatisfied suburbanites to cover all that ground. Then again, the city may eventually turn a corner where it has a wider national appeal like it used to.

[Plzeň]

Originally Posted by j_cat

It's really hard to predict: almost every Chicago neighborhood has some qualities that may eventually spur gentrification, but a lot of them will be waiting an awfully long time, and I'm not sure there will ever be enough Iowans or dissatisfied suburbanites to cover all that ground. Then again, the city may eventually turn a corner where it has a wider national appeal like it used to.

Perhaps. My point, though, was that either way, pushing poverty and crime from your city into your suburbs isn't a solution to the actual problem. It just keeps the crime numbers off of the city's books on a technicality.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Plzeň

Perhaps. My point, though, was that either way, pushing poverty and crime from your city into your suburbs isn't a solution to the actual problem. It just keeps the crime numbers off of the city's books on a technicality.

Or they move to Indiana and Georgia.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Or they move to Indiana and Georgia.

In New York's case, I'm betting the main recipients were places like Newark, Jersey City, Trenton, Camden/Philly, Wilmington, Hartford, Bridgeport, BMore, etc.

[Huckleberry3911948]

we dont have a chicago murder problem. we have black on black violence problem. when the community is willing to start washing its own dirty laundry and stop fussing over the past misdeeds of archie bunker, it will get better and not b4.
signed
a chicago native and former resident.