Chicago gun ban struck down! (Geneva, Washington: crimes, movies, high school)

[eevee]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

DC's top cop is a gun control activist, take that opinion with a grain of salt.

I'll take the opinion in that article you linked w/ a bigger grain of salt. revoking the gun ban in DC didn't help it much and the 25% drop doesn't prove it, esp. if such a drop hasn't been maintained in the ensuing years since the ban was revoked (if the city keeps up that rate or even something close to it, it would soon likely become one of the safest large metro in the country)

glad the ban was revoked, if mostly b/c it couldn't really be enforced and was a waste of resource to enforce it, but I sincerely don't believe Chicago will see a massive drop in crime rates solely b/c of this

[urza216]

Are there any studies that show a correlation between decency and gun ownership? I wonder if your level of decency increases after you purchase a second or third gun.. Maybe a graph can be drawn that shows a person's level of decency rising along with the larger number of guns that they own.

Originally Posted by smoking357

Great news. Now, maybe some decent people can move back to the city.

[brien51]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

These studies have all been refuted. You can cherry pick all you want, but the facts are that less restrictive gun rights have very little effect on crime. I also believe that gun control has little effect on crime, and that these laws are basically useless in a society where guns are readily available. They only work in Europe because they have successfully limted the supply of guns. Our laws have virtually no effect on supply.

Show us the refuted studies then...Show us your FACTS supported by YOUR studies..

I don't care one way or the other, but merely writing what you write without any evidence or studies that "refute" the evidence presented doesn't cut it.

[brien51]

Originally Posted by eevee

didn't DC repel its gun ban not too long ago? what affect did it have on their crime rates?

Here you are:

Vocal Minority: Liberal Lie #16: Less Guns, Less Crime! - D.C. Murder Rate Down 25% After Gun Ban Lifted


January 21, 2010
EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.

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[eevee]

and I ask again, can that statistic be directly contributed to the revoked gun ban, and if so, will the rate be upheld over time? I still see no real stats showing how the revoked gun ban directly contributed to the lowered rate. keep looking, I'd be interested to read such a report

[brien51]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

Nope.

Crime rates go up and down, and it's actually quite impossible to do a study where the statistical controls can prove cause and effect in this realm. Correlation can be proved, but not causation.

The FBI statistics prove otherwise:


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Less Guns, Less Crime! - D.C. Murder Rate Down 25% After Gun Ban Lifted
So, how has the 2008 lifting of the ban worked for Washington, D.C.? Are all the dire predictions of unfettered violent crime by the anti-gun leftocracy borne out? Not according to today’s aforementioned Washington Times article:
[indent]January 21, 2010
EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. .
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[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by eevee

and I ask again, can that statistic be directly contributed to the revoked gun ban, and if so, will the rate be upheld over time? I still see no real stats showing how the revoked gun ban directly contributed to the lowered rate. keep looking, I'd be interested to read such a report

It will probably be a while before detailed studies can be done on it...but after the crime had gone up for so long ever since the ban, dropping right after it's thrown out, is quite the coincidence if indeed that's all it proves to be...

[smoking357]

Originally Posted by urza216

Huh? I don't understand.. What does allowing handguns have to do with ?

Are you trying to imply that non-gun owners are indecent people? Or that more gun owners are decent people than non-gun owners are decent people? Or are you defining "decent people" as "people who are too scared to live in Chicago without thier guns"? What does that have to do with decency or indecency? Would you care to explain how your mind went from point A to point B?

The average gun owner is a pretty decent person. These decent people will not live in Chicago. Chicago has lots of areas that are blighted, and Chicago has lots of horrible people who believe in big government and high taxes. Gun owners, generally, are far more decent than to steal from their neighbor through crime or taxation. Chicago can start attracting decent people back to it if Daley will get out of the way.

Originally Posted by urza216

Are there any studies that show a correlation between decency and gun ownership? I wonder if your level of decency increases after you purchase a second or third gun.. Maybe a graph can be drawn that shows a person's level of decency rising along with the larger number of guns that they own.

Good question. What we do know for certain is that an anti-gunner is a horrible person. The decency of oneself and one's city is improved tremendously by not being opposed to guns.

[slow_nerve_action]

Originally Posted by brien51

The FBI statistics prove otherwise:


Vocal Minority: Liberal Lie #16: Less Guns, Less Crime! - D.C. Murder Rate Down 25% After Gun Ban Lifted

Less Guns, Less Crime! - D.C. Murder Rate Down 25% After Gun Ban Lifted
So, how has the 2008 lifting of the ban worked for Washington, D.C.? Are all the dire predictions of unfettered violent crime by the anti-gun leftocracy borne out? Not according to today’s aforementioned Washington Times article: [indent]January 21, 2010
EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.


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Who can argue with such a politically unbiased source?

One could also point to at the time, the DC police force received a large funding increase to hire/staff the homicide department, and use better technology. Their closure rates on cases increased from 55% to 75%.

Murders were down 25% that year, but violent crime was only down 4%. If the theory that more armed citizens would result in less crime, wouldn't the decrease in murder rates and violent crime rates be more similar?

[smoking357]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

It will probably be a while before detailed studies can be done on it...but after the crime had gone up for so long ever since the ban, dropping right after it's thrown out, is quite the coincidence if indeed that's all it proves to be...

The murder rate I'm most interested in is mine. My .357 keeps my murder rate quite low, and I intend to keep it that way.