10-10-2010, 02:39 PM
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Allen,
We were discussing real estate values. Northwest Indiana is not part of the greater chicagoland area MLS. Schaumburg is considered to be an actual suburb of chicago and is included in the greater chicagoland MLS. What is considered to be an actual chicagoland suburb has to stop somewhere, which is why there is a different MLS for northwest indiana. And, no it isn't a state law thing or distance thing. Other metro areas that overlap into other states share the same MLS. Washington, DC's MLS includes DC, and suburbs in Maryland, and virginia. But, northwest indiana still is culturally and distance wise part of the chicagoland area.
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10-10-2010, 03:13 PM
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10-10-2010, 03:34 PM
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There is no strict definition of a Chicago suburb, so it is a question of opinion and common practice to some degree. I agree that most people include NWI as part of Chicagoland, and it possesses many features that one associates with a suburb. At the same time, there is a barrier in crossing state lines that one notices in how the area is referred to. For example, I live in Hyde Park, where thousands of people from Indiana come to work every day. None of them is known as living in the far southeast suburbs. They are just from Indiana. No one even says where -- just "indiana". No one even knows what cities are in Indiana. This is different from other southeast suburbs (Lansing, Cal City, etc) where people say "I'm from the southern suburbs" and actually say the name of the town.
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Regarding the MLS, I suspect then (since it is not with laws as I thought) is because Northwest Indiana only recently was considered more of an option for people from Illinois to move to. D.C. commuters have always lived in NoVa and Maryland suburbs but Chicago commuters really began moving to Indiana in the 90s. SO as far as that goes, yes, I concede that they are separate. However, that still does not mean that we are not part of the metro area.
The reason many people do not know many of the cities in Indiana is because aside for cheaper gas and cigs and MAYBE the beach, there isn't that much of a draw for visitors to come. It is mostly a draw for people looking to move. Another thing is that many people honestly think Gary = Northwest Indiana. I have met so many people that did not even know E.C. existed, but of course they knew Gary. And many people don't know about the other NWI towns as well. I have even encountered some people from the North Shore that don't know the names of any South Suburb except for Harvey of course -- but yet, they can still say that the south suburbs are terrible
(without knowing each one that exists). As for NWI, Gary is one of the stigma's we have to deal with. On the other hand in Illinois, many people not from the area know of Naperville (great city) but do not know that Lisle, or Wheaton, or Warrenville exist at all. Naperville in a sense drowns out those towns because it always makes this list or that list for being the best place to live, or raise a family. Now since Naperville is not a wasteland or anything, it is not necessarily portraying a bad image for the area. But the fact that is kind of steals the light from others could be a reason that people from out of the midwest flock to Naperville and don't even consider Lisle or other nearby burbs unless they are told so. And it could be said the same as to why many people from out of the midwest do not move to Munster or Saint John because they are told "Oh No! Gary is there! Don't move!" and this is often told by people who do not live anywhere near here.
By definition, Munster is a suburb because it's growth was a direct result of employment in Chicago. The only industry in the town itself is very local (Pepsi Bottling and Munster Steel) and those are not common employers for residents in town. The largest employers are the Hospital and the doctors offices. But still a huge chunk of people work in Chicago. We may not be recognized on the Chicago MLS, but that could also be because Illinois would not really benefit financially if people move to Indiana. And vice-versa....as for D.C., well it doesn't matter because Virginia or Maryland, the U.S. government gets the money anyway!
10-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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"By definition, Munster is a suburb because it's growth was a direct result of employment in Chicago ..."
10-10-2010, 06:10 PM
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We were discussing real estate values. Northwest Indiana is not part of the greater chicagoland area MLS. Schaumburg is considered to be an actual suburb of chicago and is included in the greater chicagoland MLS. What is considered to be an actual chicagoland suburb has to stop somewhere, which is why there is a different MLS for northwest indiana. And, no it isn't a state law thing or distance thing. Other metro areas that overlap into other states share the same MLS. Washington, DC's MLS includes DC, and suburbs in Maryland, and virginia. But, northwest indiana still is culturally and distance wise part of the chicagoland area.
LOL!
There are properties listed in MLSNI that are also listed in GNIARMLS. And there are properties in GNIARMLS that are listed in MLSNI.
To use a MLS as proof of NWI not being considered part of the Chicagoland area fails miserably.
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"By definition, Munster is a suburb because it's growth was a direct result of employment in Chicago ..."
I cannot say for sure that it is universal; however, in this specific case, I believe it is true.
Now based on the actual definition of a suburb, Munster definitely fits the the definitions!
Definition of "suburb"
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I cannot say for sure that it is universal; however, in this specific case, I believe it is true.
Now based on the actual definition of a suburb, Munster definitely fits the the definitions!
Definition of "suburb"
Munster is not a suburb of chicago. It is a nice middle class town in northwest indiana. Yes it is right next to lansing which is an actual suburb of chicago. You can not even find munster on the greater chicagoland MLS because they don't consider munster to be a suburb of chicago. I think they know that munster exist, but chicagoland suburbs have to stop somewhere. Northwest indiana town would be the proper description of munster.
10-10-2010, 07:03 PM
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Regarding the MLS, I suspect then (since it is not with laws as I thought) is because Northwest Indiana only recently was considered more of an option for people from Illinois to move to. D.C. commuters have always lived in NoVa and Maryland suburbs but Chicago commuters really began moving to Indiana in the 90s. SO as far as that goes, yes, I concede that they are separate. However, that still does not mean that we are not part of the metro area.
The reason many people do not know many of the cities in Indiana is because aside for cheaper gas and cigs and MAYBE the beach, there isn't that much of a draw for visitors to come. It is mostly a draw for people looking to move. Another thing is that many people honestly think Gary = Northwest Indiana. I have met so many people that did not even know E.C. existed, but of course they knew Gary. And many people don't know about the other NWI towns as well. I have even encountered some people from the North Shore that don't know the names of any South Suburb except for Harvey of course -- but yet, they can still say that the south suburbs are terrible
(without knowing each one that exists). As for NWI, Gary is one of the stigma's we have to deal with. On the other hand in Illinois, many people not from the area know of Naperville (great city) but do not know that Lisle, or Wheaton, or Warrenville exist at all. Naperville in a sense drowns out those towns because it always makes this list or that list for being the best place to live, or raise a family. Now since Naperville is not a wasteland or anything, it is not necessarily portraying a bad image for the area. But the fact that is kind of steals the light from others could be a reason that people from out of the midwest flock to Naperville and don't even consider Lisle or other nearby burbs unless they are told so. And it could be said the same as to why many people from out of the midwest do not move to Munster or Saint John because they are told "Oh No! Gary is there! Don't move!" and this is often told by people who do not live anywhere near here.
By definition, Munster is a suburb because it's growth was a direct result of employment in Chicago. The only industry in the town itself is very local (Pepsi Bottling and Munster Steel) and those are not common employers for residents in town. The largest employers are the Hospital and the doctors offices. But still a huge chunk of people work in Chicago. We may not be recognized on the Chicago MLS, but that could also be because Illinois would not really benefit financially if people move to Indiana. And vice-versa....as for D.C., well it doesn't matter because Virginia or Maryland, the U.S. government gets the money anyway!
Why is northwest indiana a place that needs to recruit residents? As far as munster, the area is already built up to what it is and will be. It was cheaper than middle class suburbs of chicago a while ago which is what spurred it's growth, and now it's really not any cheaper than actual middle class suburbs of chicago. I think the real question now that people ask is why pay all of that money for a home in northwest indiana when I can afford a home in a nice middle class chicagoland suburb, now that home values have fallen. And as far as a region, northwest indiana has the worst violent crime problem outside of chicago in METRO chicago. Why should anyone who is looking to move there overlook that? And yes, munster is located literally minutes away from the violent crime problems.
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People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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(without knowing each one that exists). As for NWI, Gary is one of the stigma's we have to deal with. On the other hand in Illinois, many people not from the area know of Naperville (great city) but do not know that Lisle, or Wheaton, or Warrenville exist at all. Naperville in a sense drowns out those towns because it always makes this list or that list for being the best place to live, or raise a family. Now since Naperville is not a wasteland or anything, it is not necessarily portraying a bad image for the area. But the fact that is kind of steals the light from others could be a reason that people from out of the midwest flock to Naperville and don't even consider Lisle or other nearby burbs unless they are told so. And it could be said the same as to why many people from out of the midwest do not move to Munster or Saint John because they are told "Oh No! Gary is there! Don't move!" and this is often told by people who do not live anywhere near here. 
