Coronavirus (San Diego: agent, passenger, how much)

[joosoon]

And how many of those infected were fully vaccinated? Doesn't matter *where* they're getting it, be it summer camp a movie theater or a casual outing.

The proof is already widely known; vaccination is the key to beating the virus. Current cases aren't afflicting the vaccinated, only the ones who either can't get it for some medical reason, won't get it for whatever reason, and/or those who are under 12 years old who it isn't available to yet.



The solution is vaccination. Period.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by joosoon

And how many of those infected were fully vaccinated? Doesn't matter *where* they're getting it, be it summer camp a movie theater or a casual outing.

The proof is already widely known; vaccination is the key to beating the virus. Current cases aren't afflicting the vaccinated, only the ones who either can't get it for some medical reason, won't get it for whatever reason, and/or those who are under 12 years old who it isn't available to yet.



The solution is vaccination. Period.

But. But, but... I heard a vaccinated person got it once....

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by joosoon

And how many of those infected were fully vaccinated? Doesn't matter *where* they're getting it, be it summer camp a movie theater or a casual outing.

The proof is already widely known; vaccination is the key to beating the virus. Current cases aren't afflicting the vaccinated, only the ones who either can't get it for some medical reason, won't get it for whatever reason, and/or those who are under 12 years old who it isn't available to yet.

The solution is vaccination. Period.

Rates in my county are spiking. We were at 1.7/100,000, now we're at 4. Would be orange tier if there were still tiers. We were having about 10 or fewer cases per day, now it's 40 and testing/concern is way down.

This is a county with <70% of adults fully vaccinated.

I'm actually glad that we're seeing more infectious variants. They're helping with immunity and ending the pandemic faster. This walking on eggshells mollycoddling the anti-vaxxers needs to end. It's time to get on with letting the virus implement natural selection. We led the horses to water months ago, that's all we can do.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

And how many of those infected were fully vaccinated? Doesn't matter *where* they're getting it, be it summer camp a movie theater or a casual outing.

The solution is vaccination. Period.

What do you do with the under 12s?

Summer camp outbreaks “certainly could be a precursor” to what happens when youngsters return to classrooms in the fall, said Dr. Michelle Prickett, a pulmonary and critical care specialist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. The outcome will depend on vaccination rates and which virus variants are prevalent, she said.

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...he-school-year

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

What do you do with the under 12s?

Summer camp outbreaks “certainly could be a precursor” to what happens when youngsters return to classrooms in the fall, said Dr. Michelle Prickett, a pulmonary and critical care specialist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. The outcome will depend on vaccination rates and which virus variants are prevalent, she said.

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...he-school-year

Locally, masks will be required indoors for students next Fall. I believe it will be all grade levels in the district, not just primary. Expect a lot of friction as this isn't going to sit well with some people, but until the vaccine is approved for all age groups, there's not much choice. Schools don't want to be liable for the virus, even if every case they potentially produce are asymptomatic and end up amounting to nothing for those afflicted.


I've said all along that the under 12 year old group shouldn't be discounted.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Locally, masks will be required indoors for students next Fall. I believe it will be all grade levels in the district, not just primary. Expect a lot of friction as this isn't going to sit well with some people, but until the vaccine is approved for all age groups, there's not much choice. Schools don't want to be liable for the virus, even if every case they potentially produce are asymptomatic and end up amounting to nothing for those afflicted.


I've said all along that the under 12 year old group shouldn't be discounted.

Schools don't need to worry about liability. Contact tracing is a joke and nobody is even testing kids. I wouldn't test mine if they came down with cold symptoms. I sure as heck wouldn't test them if they were asymptomatic. Only NZ and Taiwan (now that they've lowered cases from 300/day to 15/day) actually bother figuring out where infected people went, where their case came from, and who they were in contact with.

That said, wearing a mask is not a big ask. Only fragile little snowflakes melt under them. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily wear a mask during a pandemic is an idiot. Anyone who doesn't get vaccinated during a pandemic is an even bigger idiot, and we've got plenty of those so we can afford to lose 0.26% of them without batting an eye.

[goodheathen]

Saying good riddance to anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers is like saying good riddance to smokers. The reality is complicated - for example, what about their teenage offspring? - and that segment of the population needs to be handled proactively.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Schools don't need to worry about liability. Contact tracing is a joke and nobody is even testing kids.

My district was. Not a requirement like employees, but an option for kids was there and probably will be next year too.

I wouldn't test mine if they came down with cold symptoms. I sure as heck wouldn't test them if they were asymptomatic. Only NZ and Taiwan (now that they've lowered cases from 300/day to 15/day) actually bother figuring out where infected people went, where their case came from, and who they were in contact with.

That said, wearing a mask is not a big ask. Only fragile little snowflakes melt under them. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily wear a mask during a pandemic is an idiot. Anyone who doesn't get vaccinated during a pandemic is an even bigger idiot, and we've got plenty of those so we can afford to lose 0.26% of them without batting an eye.

The news that the state was going to keep masks a part of the school covid protocols wasn't even a surprise. What won't be part of it next year is "stable cohorts", distancing, and all the other stuff that causes a technical nightmare for placing kids around a campus. The masks are nothing and it's only indoors from what I'm hearing too.


I just hope they hurry up with an approval for the 12 and under kids to get vaccinated. That would fix a whole lot of worry.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Saying good riddance to anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers is like saying good riddance to smokers. The reality is complicated - for example, what about their teenage offspring? - and that segment of the population needs to be handled proactively.

I don't get your comparison but I agree it's complicated and we can't just dismiss a significant portion of the population quite yet. Eventually though, we can achieve true herd immunity even with diehard holdouts who won't ever get a vaccine (the true antivax types).

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Lambda Delta, now animal house-ish

If only.

This version of the virus, otherwise known as the C.37 variant, made the WHO’s Variants of Interest (VOI) list on June 14, 2021, joining other variants like the Eta, Iota, and Kappa ones. These Greek lettered names all may sound like fraternities or sororities but if someone asks you to rush the Lambda variant, it’s better to say, “get the heck away from me.” In this case, “interest” doesn’t mean “oh, that would be cool” like a statue of Ariana Grande made out of hot dogs. Instead, “interest” here means that public health officials should watch the variant very closely because it could become a major threat. A VOI is a version of the virus that, in the words of the WHO, has “genetic changes that are predicted or known to affect virus characteristics such as transmissibility, disease severity, immune escape, diagnostic or therapeutic escape” and that is spreading so that it may be an “emerging risk to global public health.”

Lambda Variant Of Covid-19 Coronavirus Is Spreading, What You Need To Know:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=6a2c6c1e63f2