Coronavirus (Alameda, Coronado, August: drivers license, homosexual, renegotiate)

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

If people with bad variants are quickly going to the hospital and the hospital itself is good at isolation measures, then they don't spread much. Most viruses that thrive for long aren't very dangerous. Also, unlike the UK I suppose, the variants have barely gotten into low-income segments of the population who live packed together.

The variant hasn't slowed the reduction in hospital patients. There's a lot of fear porn around it, with little empirical data. But I've realized it doesn't take much to convince the COVID hysterics.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

It has nothing to do with what I "will deem acceptable." I'm looking for actual facts that reflect what is happening in these school districts and with teachers' unions.

This article is two months old. Surely you realize how much can change in a school district, with COVID-19 confirmed cases, with parents, and with unions, in a short period of time.

This is exactly what I said you would do. First you criticize the source, then you demand another link, then say that one is too old.

I'm done. Go find your own "facts." Whatever you agree with will be a fact, and whatever you don't agree with will be falsehoods from outdated, unreliable sources. If you believe that LAUSD teachers are champing at the bit to be allowed back into the classroom as soon as possible, well, it must be true.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by saibot

https://www.usnews.com/news/educatio...cine-to-return

Maybe this doesn't mean that if a vaccine is approved for children in...July, all 600,000 students in LAUSD will have to be vaccinated within the nest month, or they can't start school in August, but it sure sounds like it.

It's pretty clear that eventually covid19 vaccination will be added to the state's required immunizations list for schools. Nothing in that piece suggests it's going to happen anytime in the immediate future, and certainly not in time for any of this year's reopening or next fall. If you just go read LAUSD's reopening plan, you'll see nothing about a student vaccine contingency. So there's no need to guess about this. The only thing which stood out to me in their plan from ours was a covid testing requirement which included students. Here in San Diego, it's only going to be a staff requirement with a heavy suggestion that kids do it too --they already offer it for those students in current "phase 1" in-person learning if desired.

[JGC97]

Heard on the news this evening that the vaccine given to pregnant women shows antibodies in the baby. Built-in immunity, it seems. That's pretty good news. Also, some health expert said this summer will look more like the summer of 2019, not last year. Also good news. I know everyone is ready for that.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by Finper

Why are schools fully open in every other state but Ca?

I don't know that they even are fully open in every other state, but the answer to your question is in the three links I just posted the other day. The state has its rules and reopenings hinge on Newsom's silly color code scheme among other things.

[DKM]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

Heard on the news this evening that the vaccine given to pregnant women shows antibodies in the baby. Built-in immunity, it seems. That's pretty good news. Also, some health expert said this summer will look more like the summer of 2019, not last year. Also good news. I know everyone is ready for that.

August yes, June no. Depends on when CA can open up the vaccines to anyone. No word from King Gavin as to who's next after those who claim to be on the current list. The whole tiers thing went out the window so its hard to say how long it will take. Now they are on tier 1B+

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by saibot

This is exactly what I said you would do. First you criticize the source, then you demand another link, then say that one is too old.

I'm done. Go find your own "facts." Whatever you agree with will be a fact, and whatever you don't agree with will be falsehoods from outdated, unreliable sources. If you believe that LAUSD teachers are champing at the bit to be allowed back into the classroom as soon as possible, well, it must be true.

You know, this is a discussion forum. No one made a "demand" that you post any links. You make statements that appear to be your opinion, and I asked you to back up your statement that many districts will require students to be vaccinated.

And please don’t twist my words around. I never said anything about teachers "champing at the bit" to be allowed back into the classroom, or that anything similar to that.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by sav858

Ok but even if they weren't open before they can open now right for K-6 right? You keep harping on the state but they've actually relaxed the requirement to open and districts/unions are still dragging their feet.

The rules for K-6 are a case rate of <25/100k (which is purple x4), but it depends on whether they were previously reopened in a lower restriction tier. It's complicated. I can't copy and paste the whole thing here, but it begins on page 5 of this document.


That's all on the state. Nothing to do with districts or unions. The districts have to write a plan which conforms to CDPH, Cal OSHA, CDC, etc.'s guidelines which are referenced repeatedly in those links. The district has to work out the details of those plans with staff in bargaining. I only know the intimate details of what's happening here but there's basically only three legs (their words) of the reopening plan they're looking for: access to both doses of vaccine (which has been met), covid mitigation protocols on sites (mostly met, district has the resources to fulfill -- stuff like the classroom air purifies, etc.) and lastly that the county be in red tier (which we missed last Tuesday but are now technically in when the county re-evaluates it). The target date (not part of the contract btw) is April 12th. All things considered, we'll meet that goal unless cases spike and we end up in purple still. In short, we are now waiting on red tier to reopen. Red tier is out of the hands of unions, the district, my dog, your great Aunt, etc. The state owns the color code scheme in its entirety.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by DKM

August yes, June no. Depends on when CA can open up the vaccines to anyone. No word from King Gavin as to who's next after those who claim to be on the current list. The whole tiers thing went out the window so its hard to say how long it will take. Now they are on tier 1B+

Oh. August? The guy on the news didn't give a month, just said "summer." Not that far off and at least now there's a light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't a train.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Only speaking as the parent of elementary-school-aged children:

We are perfectly comfortable with reopening even through the winter surge. Our kids went back to hybrid school in January. They are switching to full-time, shortly. I'm happy that our district has been aggressive in reopening elementary schools as quickly as state guidelines allowed.

We were never worried about exposing ourselves to COVID via the children for multiple reasons:
1. Children are rarely a disease vector. Every study shows that they do not transmit it as efficiently as adults.
2. We are already exposed through our jobs and everyday lives. We are much more likely to pick up COVID from the 10+ hours we spend daily indoors with adult coworkers, or on essential shopping trips having to interact with check-out clerks that suffered and spread a much higher rate of COVID than average adults.
3. We are unlikely to suffer severe health effects from a COVID infection.

We're about on the same page. The main difference is we did have immunocompromised family to worry about. When I started back at school in October, I simply stopped seeing them because I was crossing paths with tons of people at that point and remain doing so (more actually) now. Vaccines have scaled back that fear but we're still dealing with at least one who is very, very high risk and with the uncertainty of how well the vaccine actually protects someone, it's not a gamble I'm willing to take.


As for schools being a vector of transmission, I've always felt the data was there from the beginning when the CDC last winter was even saying that it was a toss up whether to close schools or not. But we can't just erase a year's worth of this state sounding the alarm bell and expect everyone to just go back to normal without questioning the move. They're already bending their own dumb rules to make it happen and using funding to lure districts into a position to relent. That's pretty shady in my book, but, well... it's not surprising because politics and all that. The state has positioned itself well here and no district wants to risk being sued by parents whose kids bring covid home, or worse. I can't blame them for not wanting to just jump on board the pretend everything is ok again bandwagon.