Coronavirus (crime, neighborhood, theater)

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Originally Posted by sav858

I don't see what that matters. This isn't a CDC recommendation or federal regulation. It's just CA being stricter than it needs to without any justification. Plenty of other states that are way more open with a similar low infection rate. We also had the highest infection rate at one point during winter despite the tightest restrictions in the country.

He wants to keep the fear porn going. Unfortunately, I see way too many people in the Bay Area still walking around with masks outside in open fresh air.

[goodheathen]

I don't know anyone who for a while has been spending hours on most days unmasked around people from other households. Does anyone here know somebody like that? That's the great unknown of mass unmasking. Infections will go up, but how much and how many serious health complications? Few people were getting sick from offices because they were mostly shut here, probably more so than in most states, and I think California is at least middle of the pack in percentage of adult residents who normally work in offices. I think one reason there won't be a major spike from office reopenings even if masks aren't required is that many companies are reopening their offices gradually and not approaching full capacity for months or more. Employers don't want to have shut down due to outbreaks and regardless of mask requirements the government won't be tolerating workplaces with outbreaks. Furthermore, to me this might be more similar to airplane travel than for example grocery shopping, including windows that can't be opened. Airplane mask requirements aren't going way any time soon, even though I'm guessing a high percentage of travelers now are vaccinated. It's just a mask, why get so mad about it?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by sav858

Of course Newsom is walking back on reopening the state now and is going to hold on to his emergency power indefinitely. The virus is NEVER going to go completely away.

Gavin Newsom signals June 15 may not be a return to normal in testy press conference

Rosenhall then asked Newsom whether he would rescind his emergency declaration and relinquish his emergency powers, to which he stated that he would not.

"We're still in a state of emergency," he said. "This disease has not been extinguished. It's not vanished, it's not taking the summer months off."

The governor stated that additional guidelines would be released in the coming days ahead of June 15.

From everything I've read the remaining guidelines will require wearing masks in large indoor settings where not everyone is vaccinated. I think it's rational and if more people got vaccinated there wouldn't be a reason for anyone to wear a mask, but 50% doesn't = herd immunity.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

From everything I've read the remaining guidelines will require wearing masks in large indoor settings where not everyone is vaccinated. I think it's rational and if more people got vaccinated there wouldn't be a reason for anyone to wear a mask, but 50% doesn't = herd immunity.

Why won’t the dictator release his emergency powers oh wise one???

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

It's just a mask, why get so mad about it?

Personally I find them very uncomfortable and restricting. I usually have to pull it away from my face every now and then to breathe. During most of the pandemic I agreed it was necessary and worth the inconvenience but at this stage it doesn't seem to be at all especially for the vaccinated. It's completely unnecessary so why have the mandate? The CDC isn't recommending this so why are we even doing it?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

From everything I've read the remaining guidelines will require wearing masks in large indoor settings where not everyone is vaccinated. I think it's rational and if more people got vaccinated there wouldn't be a reason for anyone to wear a mask, but 50% doesn't = herd immunity.

Yeah that has been known for a while now, sounds like additional guidelines are coming in addition to that. Considering the unnecessary guidelines CalOSHA kept, I'd imagine we'll see more unnecessary ones that Newsom will release in the coming weeks.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by sav858

Personally I find them very uncomfortable and restricting. I usually have to pull it away from my face every now and then to breathe. During most of the pandemic I agreed it was necessary and worth the inconvenience but at this stage it doesn't seem to be at all especially for the vaccinated. It's completely unnecessary so why have the mandate? The CDC isn't recommending this so why are we even doing it?

It would be a lot easier if there was a way to determine who is vaccinated other than by asking them, but since that's not likely to happen, in certain settings even though I'm vaccinated I prefer to wear a mask rather than take the word of people who claim to be vaccinated. Try a surgical mask, I can't imagine anyone having trouble breathing with them on unless they have a bad case of COPD or Asthma

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

It would be a lot easier if there was a way to determine who is vaccinated other than by asking them, but since that's not likely to happen, in certain settings even though I'm vaccinated I prefer to wear a mask rather than take the word of people who claim to be vaccinated. Try a surgical mask, I can't imagine anyone having trouble breathing with them on unless they have a bad case of COPD or Asthma

The chances of catching COVID let alone getting hospitalized from it if vaccinated is miniscule which is why I don't really care if someone else is vaccinated or not. I only use surgical masks. It's just uncomfortable and I feel like I need to catch my breath every now and then, not necessarily I can't breathe. We all have different comfort levels and I don't think the mask proponents realize that. My 7 year old kids wear them fine and way more than they need to; they aren't bothered by them. I wouldn't think severe sleep apnea would matter for this but maybe its part of it.

[citizensadvocate]

Its interesting how the UK is among the most vaccinated regions in the world yet they still went in to a hard long lockdown due to "rising cases" which they call a third or fourth wave. They have downgraded recently but still pretty restricted. I am guess they got the new variants in which the vaccines they receive does not cover well?

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

Personally I find them very uncomfortable and restricting. I usually have to pull it away from my face every now and then to breathe. During most of the pandemic I agreed it was necessary and worth the inconvenience but at this stage it doesn't seem to be at all especially for the vaccinated. It's completely unnecessary so why have the mandate? The CDC isn't recommending this so why are we even doing it?

Okay. So why don't people just say that instead of complaining about government overreach, etc.? Most masks hardly bother me when the weather isn't hot, but I've found many differences in fit and construction that could affect comfort. For example, some masks are too rigid. Also, there are masks that don't loop around the ears, which is a problem area for some. It's much easier to keep trying different masks than to complain about a government's policy when the government isn't going to listen. A government that cares at all about public safety will always prioritize it over individual comfort.