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The medical infrastructure we have now serves the diseases and emergencies we’ve dealt with for a long time.
Adding an unknown - but clearly highly contagious and at least significantly mortally dangerous - new disease into the mix can very likely overwhelm the infrastructure. If this happens, a LOT more sick and injured people will suffer from lack of medical care, than just those with this new virus.
I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out why it's so important to argue which is worse; the flu or this virus. Fact is, they're both bad and will affect people, who contract it, differently. Why the bleep do you people continue to fight and argue over this? If you feel good about possibly infecting others with your asinine thinking, knock yourselves out. Count on the fact that this won't be the last time people will be infected with something that can possibly kill them, as history shows. Chances are the next time one comes around, you'll be older and one of the ones who are at risk. Time takes care of that. You aren't young forever.
I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out why it's so important to argue which is worse; the flu or this virus. Fact is, they're both bad and will affect people, who contract it, differently. Why the bleep do you people continue to fight and argue over this? If you feel good about possibly infecting others with your asinine thinking, knock yourselves out. Count on the fact that this won't be the last time people will be infected with something that can possibly kill them, as history shows. Chances are the next time one comes around, you'll be older and one of the ones who are at risk. Time takes care of that. You aren't young forever.
It's important because government decided that as result of such great emergency, they should close businesses and limit people movement. The reality is that this is not any worse compare to common flu but there is few difference between them. 1) No one have immunity to it, so yes those people that are more vulnerable will get much more sick 2) it will happen in large numbers.
Ultimately we need to know this facts as if it's not that deadly, unconstitutional orders need to be vacated and people need to get back to restarting their life, trying to save their business etc. We also need to examine for the future all of this orders and if court should make a ruling on legality of them.
....as if it's not that deadly, unconstitutional orders need to be vacated and people need to get back to restarting their life, trying to save their business etc.
Get back to restarting their life? Didn't you say that you're a realtor? What are you going to do, start scheduling open houses for all your clients? Drive potential buyers around in your car to look at property? Tell your sellers to hang tight because hey, this will all blow over soon?
Get back to restarting their life? Didn't you say that you're a realtor? What are you going to do, start scheduling open houses for all your clients? Drive potential buyers around in your car to look at property? Tell your sellers to hang tight because hey, this will all blow over soon?
If it's short term yes it will blow over. If it's long term no it will not blow over. Yes i would start doing open house etc. I would also need to sit down with each seller/buyer and determine what is a new market reality and what can be expected in terms of home prices.
We dropped the ball. There's no doubt about it. Our country's health care system is not set up for anything like this.
How South Korea accelerated its coronavirus testing, while early missteps left the U.S. lagging far behind, is a story of flexibility, preparedness and painful lessons from a past fumble.
Much of South Korea’s current disease control response system was forged after a 2015 local outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS, caused by a different coronavirus. At the time, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found itself unable to handle the abrupt surge in demand for tens of thousands of tests amid the largest outbreak outside of Saudi Arabia, which ultimately killed 38 patients and infected nearly 200.
The experience prompted the country to overhaul its CDC and pass laws to prepare for the next epidemic. Central to the changes was the ability to cut through a bureaucratic months-long process to get test kits rapidly approved and working during an emergency. The Zika virus epidemic of 2016 served as a small-scale dry run of the new system.
As luck would have it, last December, the South Korean government held a mock disease response drill — under the premise of a coronavirus outbreak.
By Jan. 11, when China had reported just 41 cases and the WHO was discounting the prospect of human-to-human transmission, South Korea was distributing tests even though it wasn’t yet possible to test for the specific strand of the novel coronavirus causing the outbreak in Wuhan. By Jan. 31, with seven known cases in South Korea, test kits based on the virus’ genetic code released by China had been distributed to local government labs across the country.
Until this is over, we can’t compare South Korea to the US. Right now, SK has 8,799 cases with a population of 51.2M. US has 24,199 with a population of 331M. Our numbers are increasing, while SK’s seem to be declining. So until the US gets to 57,000 cases we have less as a percentage of our population than SK. When will we get there and when will SK’s cases stop? This is just looking at it from a true numbers perspective. Let’s not even get into the logistics of our country compared to a tiny land mass area like SK. Something to think about.
Until this is over, we can’t compare South Korea to the US. Right now, SK has 8,799 cases with a population of 51.2M. US has 24,199 with a population of 331M. Our numbers are increasing, while SK’s seem to be declining. So until the US gets to 57,000 cases we have less as a percentage of our population than SK. When will we get there and when will SK’s cases stop? This is just looking at it from a true numbers perspective. Let’s not even get into the logistics of our country compared to a tiny land mass area like SK. Something to think about.
We are not testing in any great number unlike SK, Both California & New York stopped testing. How do you expect to get accurate number if you do not test anyone?
Until this is over, we can’t compare South Korea to the US.... Let’s not even get into the logistics of our country compared to a tiny land mass area like SK. Something to think about.
That was ONE example. We blew it; there's no doubt about it, and it has a lot to do with why we're in this position now.
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.
That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge.........
On Feb. 10, nearly three weeks after the first coronavirus case was diagnosed in the United States, Mr. Trump submitted a 2021 budget proposal that called for a $693.3 million reduction in funding for the C.D.C., or about 9 percent, although there was a modest increase for the division that combats global pandemics.
The Crimson Contagion planning exercise run last year by the Department of Health and Human Services involved officials from 12 states and at least a dozen federal agencies. They included the Pentagon, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the National Security Council. Groups like the American Red Cross and American Nurses Association were invited to join, as were health insurance companies and major hospitals like the Mayo Clinic...
We are not testing in any great number unlike SK, Both California & New York stopped testing. How do you expect to get accurate number if you do not test anyone?
That’s why I said you can’t even compare. Who knows how many we have, who really knows how many SK has and China even for that matter. Hey, I think we should have shut down air travel already because it’s going to spread into CA as we shelter because guess what people are still flying into Ca. So we’re slowing the spread but let’s allow flights to come into CA? Makes sense to me.
That was ONE example. We blew it; there's no doubt about it, and it has a lot to do with why we're in this position now.
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.
That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge.........
On Feb. 10, nearly three weeks after the first coronavirus case was diagnosed in the United States, Mr. Trump submitted a 2021 budget proposal that called for a $693.3 million reduction in funding for the C.D.C., or about 9 percent, although there was a modest increase for the division that combats global pandemics.
The Crimson Contagion planning exercise run last year by the Department of Health and Human Services involved officials from 12 states and at least a dozen federal agencies. They included the Pentagon, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the National Security Council. Groups like the American Red Cross and American Nurses Association were invited to join, as were health insurance companies and major hospitals like the Mayo Clinic...
Sure things could have been done differently, but blew it? Well, I don’t know that yet to place entire blame like you. Did Obama blow it allowing 60M to get affected by swine flu in 2009? I can’t say that, but it’s pointless for you to keep saying we blew it and defend people who are saying liberals could do so much better. Again, I agree things were done wrong, and admit Trump is maybe still not doing that great, but we got a long way to go to 60M and 12,400+ deaths to act like the govt is completely incompetent. Just an uninformed opinion if you aske me.
Obama sent troops to Africa to help contain Ebola based on the lessons he learned in 2009. Ok, so China would have let troops come into their country? Come on, seriously. Really, if there is blame it should be on the PRC and CCP for how they handled it and hid it.
The focus is so much on not having enough ventilators and all this blame that they can’t get them. Sure, the federal govt should be doing more, but I don’t know how long it takes to mass produce ventilators? But why are the hospitals in this position to begin with? Is it Trump’s fault or is it the hospitals that cut back and charge a ton for minor operations and why don’t they have more in stock?
I don’t know, just questions I would think people would want to know before placing blame. But, go ahead keep doing it.
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Time takes care of that. You aren't young forever.
