Almost Half Of California Driver’s Licenses Went To Illegal Immigrants In 2015 (Los Angeles: apartments, live)

[MrCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Bunch of y'all need to stop confusing the reporting of true facts / factors - uh, with support.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Hi there Darret. No. It's not MY assertion that the middle class is falsifying income. It is factual knowledge reported by the IRS and other government and highly credible, non-governmental, economics research sources. It's so commonly known and credibly reported I won't bother to provide links.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yes. And no. Sorta.
Understand your reference source is funded by a conservative bias that advocates actively against illegal immigration. Which is fine, if the reporting is balanced I have no problem with them presenting their position as long as it is disclosed (which they don't). That said, you can find other, better sources that address the same issue with more comprehensive study.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Bottom line is: yes, but not really so much. Not enough for any rational person to get their panties in a bunch over until we've addressed far greater, more costly problems first. It's called prioritization of threats and liabilites.

Ah, Tulemutt. Master of straw man arguments, hypocrisy, dubious unnamed sources, and contradictory assertions. I see some things never change!

It's nice to know there are a few things you can count on in this world.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by MrCurmudgeon

Ah, Tulemutt. Master of straw man arguments, hypocrisy, dubious unnamed sources, and contradictory assertions. I see some things never change!

It's nice to know there are a few things you can count on in this world.

Can't engage in a debate so, as before, you pop in to make a snark or two, never address actual facts and issues, never respond to challenges, and exit making false accusations.

You know, re: unnamed sources:
1. if I quote something without a link, all needs to be done is a copy and paste into your google field and push a key, it'll come up.

2. if you want to challenge something I write that isn't a quote, all you need to do is ask. I never make statements I can't back up.

[XavierPacheco]

California relies on illegal immigrants and they do more good than harm. I also know for a fact that when it comes to agriculture that illegals are not taking away jobs. These illegals are also not getting paid below the minimum wage if anything some of them are making over a hundred dollars a day. The problem is that they don't work all year and often have too many kids.

Originally Posted by Madruga

Adam Carolla discusses the detrimental affects of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles.

I live in California and I can tell you that crime has gone down significantly despite what Carolla wants to believe. A lot of gangmembers have also dropped out and many of them are improving their lives. The only people who buy into what Carolla is saying are white people who are closet racists.

[oldtrader]

The fact that nearly half of all new drivers licenses are to illegal immigrants, not unbelievable at all. Los Angeles with 1/3rd of all California of the population being about 50%Hispanic, and just over 25% white only is is obvious that a large percentage of drivers license issued in a year being for illegal residents. The rest of the people do not renew their license every year.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by XavierPacheco

California relies on illegal immigrants and they do more good than harm. I also know for a fact that when it comes to agriculture that illegals are not taking away jobs. These illegals are also not getting paid below the minimum wage if anything some of them are making over a hundred dollars a day. The problem is that they don't work all year and often have too many kids.





I live in California and I can tell you that crime has gone down significantly despite what Carolla wants to believe. A lot of gangmembers have also dropped out and many of them are improving their lives. The only people who buy into what Carolla is saying are white people who are closet racists.

It is funny that in other parts of the US many farms/agricultural business do NOT rely on illegals but actually hire ........ citizens.

However if no one else wants them in CA, OK, but there isn't much AG work in the areas with the majority of Illegals and they take jobs away from citizens.

[Madruga]

Originally Posted by XavierPacheco

I live in California and I can tell you that crime has gone down significantly despite what Carolla wants to believe. A lot of gang members have also dropped out and many of them are improving their lives. The only people who buy into what Carolla is saying are white people who are closet racists.

Because I think what Carolla is saying, you're calling me a "racist"?

[XavierPacheco]

Originally Posted by expatCA

It is funny that in other parts of the US many farms/agricultural business do NOT rely on illegals but actually hire ........ citizens.

However if no one else wants them in CA, OK, but there isn't much AG work in the areas with the majority of Illegals and they take jobs away from citizens.

Nope, the majority of people who harvest the crops by hand are done by illegals.

US Farmers Depend on Illegal Immigrants

Originally Posted by Madruga

Because I think what Carolla is saying, you're calling me a "racist"?

Nope, but Carolla is an idiot and a closet 'racist"

[Madruga]

Originally Posted by XavierPacheco

Nope, but Carolla is an idiot and a closet "racist"

So let me try and understand you here. The fact that Carolla speaks the truth about the serious problems facing L.A. today, and they are all factual, this makes Carolla a racist? Carolla talks candidly, openly and honestly about problems that illegal immigrants cause so he is now labeled a "racist"? And the fact that I agree with him, this makes me a racist also?

[XavierPacheco]

Originally Posted by Madruga

So let me try and understand you here. The fact that Carolla speaks the truth about the serious problems facing L.A. today, and they are all factual, this makes Carolla a racist? Carolla talks candidly, openly and honestly about problems that illegal immigrants cause so he is now labeled a "racist"? And the fact that I agree with him, this makes me a racist also?

The "truth", you mean how crime has decreased significantly ?

5 explanations for the great crime decline in Los Angeles and the US | 89.3 KPCC

I call him a racist because he perpetuates the idea that somehow more "mexicans" means more crime and like most people with a low IQ they don't tend to do their own research. Also feel free to try and prove me wrong.

[Bert_from_back_East]

Originally Posted by XavierPacheco

The "truth", you mean how crime has decreased significantly ?

5 explanations for the great crime decline in Los Angeles and the US | 89.3 KPCC

I call him a racist because he perpetuates the idea that somehow more "mexicans" means more crime and like most people with a low IQ they don't tend to do their own research. Also feel free to try and prove me wrong.

Yes, increasingly more illegal immigrants in California and the United States in general indicates that educational attainment levels in certain communities, such as inner-city Los Angeles or the San Joaquin River Valley, will remain low, since the vast majority of illegal immigrants are poor, uneducated agricultural and service workers from Third World countries who cannot speak English, the language of commerce, education and government in this country.

Low educational attainment levels and a general inability to communicate in English relegates an immigrant - whether legal or not - to low-paying, menial employment with poor working conditions, limited employee rights and protections and virtually no opportunity for career advancement. This fosters poverty.

Poverty, in turn, breeds despair, hopelessness and apathy, which are more often than not the underlying causes of substance abuse, domestic violence, theft, vandalism, vagrancy, prostitution, etc. These issues are what boost violent and property crime rates in any given community.

Furthermore, transience and the lack of willingness and/or propensity to assimilate to mainstream American culture leads to decreased civic pride, community engagement and social connectedness among migrant communities. This fosters gang membership and violence and contributes to other social ills.

I think the Central Valley of California is, perhaps, the best example of this.

But to deny that illegal immigration has had little to no effect on crime, poverty, educational attainment, etc., especially in Mexican border states like California, is disingenuous at best.