You Are Not Free In California (Freedom: sales, lawyers, income)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I'm suing you for the two minutes of my life you just stole.

So glad I read this. It stopped me from opening the OPs link. LOL

Anyway, Happy New Year to my fellow oppressed socialists aka Californians!

[sunshine7793]

As usual the objectors give no details about what they find wrong with the study. They just hate the title of the study, hate the authors, hate anything that conflicts with the comfortable coma that they live in.

I read the criteria for the ratings and they more or less make sense. The study gives points for factors that attribute to personal freedom. California rates low on those factors. Can you argue with that? Probably not so you just sling your usual mud and move on.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

So glad I read this. It stopped me from opening the OPs link. LOL

Anyway, Happy New Year to my fellow oppressed socialists aka Californians!

That was my intention. I should have known better considering the source but I'm one of those who asks, "what's this button do?" LOL

Happy New Year montclair. Hope we can still say that in this oppressive state. At least we can still buy alcohol on Sundays to deal with it.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by sunshine7793

As usual the objectors give no details about what they find wrong with the study. They just hate the title of the study, hate the authors, hate anything that conflicts with the comfortable coma that they live in.

I read the criteria for the ratings and they more or less make sense. The study gives points for factors that attribute to personal freedom. California rates low on those factors. Can you argue with that? Probably not so you just sling your usual mud and move on.

I'm probably gonna regret this but why don't you share with us what you found out? Share those points. God knows I will never look into anything you post again so you'll have to share it with us.

[ambient]

I live in California, and there is nothing on a daily basis that I care to do that is out of my control.

Then again, I'm a law - abiding citizen who lives a pretty normal life: house, family, career... Maybe I'm not thinking big enough.

So help me out here, people: what exactly is there that I am supposed to wish I could do that I can do in North Dakota but not here?

[thecooler]

Originally Posted by sunshine7793

As usual the objectors give no details about what they find wrong with the study. They just hate the title of the study, hate the authors, hate anything that conflicts with the comfortable coma that they live in.

I read the criteria for the ratings and they more or less make sense. The study gives points for factors that attribute to personal freedom. California rates low on those factors. Can you argue with that? Probably not so you just sling your usual mud and move on.

I disagree with the methodology, they rank tobacco freedom as having more weight then things like civil liberties and marriage freedom. And gun freedom should not rank 3 times more weighted then alcohol freedom, at least in my personal opinion, which is what this study is. you can manipulate the weights of each category to get what answers you want. So this is nothing more then political propaganda.

Some regulations are helpful for society, not all "freedom" is good. I want my doctor, my real estate agent, my lawyer to be licensed and regulated, (I say that as a licensed and regulated CPA).

Also, i dont want complete property freedom, i dont want liquor stores on every corner, or strip clubs next to a grade school, I'm a property owner and I don't any issues with the regulations that are impinging my freedom, i haven't had any impact me as of yet.

Not to say that there aren't some dumb regulations on the books, there are, but on a day to day basis, dont affect me usually. The only regulation I can think that i've found annoying and stupid that affected me, was stopping the sale of alcohol at 2am, thus making clubs close at 1:30-that one I dont agree with. Conversely I'm glad I don't live in Utah where beer is mandated to be weak, you have to get liquor at state stores, you cant get booze on Sundays, and you have to join a club to get a drink at a bar.

[chuckmann]

Originally Posted by sponger42

Huh. How about that. I guess I didn't just bike down from the house, that I own, to the point to go surfing for a few hours Sunday. Then I didn't grab a shower and a bagel and walk my family to church. Afterwards, I didn't visit with friends and neighbors for a bit before spending the afternoon doing some yard work and then spending a bit more time with the family before the workweek began.

No, that was a dream. In reality, I spent the weekend in the nanny state government housing project with my government-mandated same-sex life partner. I wasn't allowed outside to minimize my ecological footprint, I sure as heck wasn't allowed to even THINK a religious thought, and the government-owned utilities were shut off a dusk to ensure a zero carbon emissions day mandate.

The freedoms I dreamed I had are clearly only available to me if I own an arsenal of assault rifles and a Ford Excursion SUV to carry them to the border in Texas, or some other equally awful place, to spend all my free time "defending" my freedoms against terrorists and socialists by eating a lot of processed meat and starches and complaining about how Obama[care] is the worst thing to happen to America since the War of 1812.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Your snarkiness is noted. Now go read the law regarding who has an interest in your home under what circumstances and what you can and cannot do about it. I've had some heated conversations with the police about just those things. Have you?

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by sunshine7793

Anyone surprised by this? Not me considering our out-of-control legislature.

Freedom in the 50 States 2013 | Overall Freedom | Mercatus Center

I live in California and don't ever feel like I'm not free,,,

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by ambient

I live in California, and there is nothing on a daily basis that I care to do that is out of my control.

Then again, I'm a law - abiding citizen who lives a pretty normal life: house, family, career... Maybe I'm not thinking big enough.

So help me out here, people: what exactly is there that I am supposed to wish I could do that I can do in North Dakota but not here?

Buy a gun at the local candy store and beat your wife with it and not allow the police to come inside your home to investigate the screams?

We are missing out in California!

[sunshine7793]

If you look closely at the methodology behind the study you'll see that the following categories comprise 60% of the weight in the rankings: Tax Burden, Tort Abuse, Property Rights Protection, Labor Market Freedom, Gun Control and Education Policy. With Tax Burden and Tort Abuse comprising 40% of the weight.

Anyone care to argue that California does not deserve it's low ranking in those areas? Anyone actually believe that lawyers are not a menace to businesses in CA or that CA taxes are not ridiculously high? Add to that things like the fascist coastal commission meddling in property rights and oppressive gun laws and you see why CA deserves to be at the bottom of the list.