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Old 11-01-2012, 08:58 PM
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You are probably right.

but that's a stupid reason not offer him the max... Westbrook didn't have a great finals either.
Not exactly, in each game of the NBA Finals, Westbook outscored Harden in every game except for Game 5 when they both had the same amount of points.

Game 1, Westbrook 27pts, Harden 5pts

Game 2- Westbrook-27 pts, Harden-21pts

Game 3- Westbrook-19pts, Harden-9pts

Game 4- Westbrook-43pts, Harden-8pts

Game 5-Westbrook-19pts, Harden-19pts


So Harden scored under 10 pts 3 times during the series while Westbrook scored over 20 3 times during the series
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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Not exactly, in each game of the NBA Finals, Westbook outscored Harden in every game except for Game 5 when they both had the same amount of points.

Game 1, Westbrook 27pts, Harden 5pts

Game 2- Westbrook-27 pts, Harden-21pts

Game 3- Westbrook-19pts, Harden-9pts

Game 4- Westbrook-43pts, Harden-8pts

Game 5-Westbrook-19pts, Harden-19pts


So Harden scored under 10 pts 3 times during the series while Westbrook scored over 20 3 times during the series
Westbrook took anywhere from 18 to 32 shots a night though.

Russell Westbrook 2011-12 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

He had one hot shooting night but other than that had maybe only one other acceptable night and 3 crappy nights.

Points scored is all fine and well, but if you are shooting 40%....well.....thanks for killing your own team.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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Barkley just said on TNT he wasn't sure if the Lakers could stay healthy on Tuesday
The Lakers are likely to be healthy on any tuesday.....

I'm having visions of the Lakers team with Karl malone and Gary Payton....you whippersnapers probably don't remember that though.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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Not exactly, in each game of the NBA Finals, Westbook outscored Harden in every game except for Game 5 when they both had the same amount of points.

Game 1, Westbrook 27pts, Harden 5pts

Game 2- Westbrook-27 pts, Harden-21pts

Game 3- Westbrook-19pts, Harden-9pts

Game 4- Westbrook-43pts, Harden-8pts

Game 5-Westbrook-19pts, Harden-19pts


So Harden scored under 10 pts 3 times during the series while Westbrook scored over 20 3 times during the series
I didn't say Westbrook played worse... I said he didn't have a good finals. There is more to basketball than just scoring.

Westbrook's is a point guard!!!

Game 1 Westbrook was 10 for 24... 0 for 4 from 3pt line. Harden was 2 for 6... 1 for 2 from 3pt line.
Game 2: Westbrook 10 for 26!!! Harden was 7 for 11..
Game 3: Westbrook was 8/18 and Harden was 2/10...
Game 4: Westbrook took 32 shots!!! 0-3 from 3pt...Harden was 2/10 and 1/5 from 3pt.
Game 5: Westbrook was 4/20... And 0-5 from 3pt... Harden was 5/11 and 3/8 from 3pt line.

Sure Westbrook shot slightly better... But OKC will never win with him taking that many shots! And he can't shoot pathetic from 3 pt line.

So to say he played better than Harden in the finals is marginal. blaming Harden as the only reason for losing is weak...
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:16 PM
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The Lakers are likely to be healthy on any tuesday.....

I'm having visions of the Lakers team with Karl malone and Gary Payton....you whippersnapers probably don't remember that though.

I screwed that statement up, lol

I was trying to said that on Tuesday Night barkey said he wasn't sure if the Lakers could stay healthy all season
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:23 PM
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I didn't say Westbrook played worse... I said he didn't have a good finals. There is more to basketball than just scoring.

Westbrook's is a point guard!!!

Game 1 Westbrook was 10 for 24... 0 for 4 from 3pt line. Harden was 2 for 6... 1 for 2 from 3pt line.
Game 2: Westbrook 10 for 26!!! Harden was 7 for 11..
Game 3: Westbrook was 8/18 and Harden was 2/10...
Game 4: Westbrook took 32 shots!!! 0-3 from 3pt...Harden was 2/10 and 1/5 from 3pt.
Game 5: Westbrook was 4/20... And 0-5 from 3pt... Harden was 5/11 and 3/8 from 3pt line.

Sure Westbrook shot slightly better... But OKC will never win with him taking that many shots! And he can't shoot pathetic from 3 pt line.

So to say he played better than Harden in the finals is marginal. blaming Harden as the only reason for losing is weak...

Those pts that OKC depended on from Harden off the bench didn't come in Games 3 and 4 which is why the Finals was not as good as most expected. Most expected the series to return back to OKC but when they lost 3 in a row in Miami that was mostly because of Harden scoring 17 pts total in 2 games.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:02 PM
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No... People are saying OKC let him go for $4.5M not that he left for that amount. that is because they did not offer him the max that they could offer him which was $4.5M more. They short changed him...

The point is, they obviously didn't want him because they didn't even offer the max.
I see what you're saying. If that is true, then Harden shouldn't be criticized, but keep in mind OKC already recently gave Ibaka a big contract too. The financial aspects would've hurt their cap. The other side i heard was that he should've taken the deal since it was only 4.5mil diff and that he would've continued to be on a championship contender, so they felt he was greedy to reject for just 4.5mil diff but the reality was that it wasn't the 4.5mil, but that extra year he could get from another team...and some team would've offered him the max anyway.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:41 PM
 
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I see what you're saying. If that is true, then Harden shouldn't be criticized, but keep in mind OKC already recently gave Ibaka a big contract too. The financial aspects would've hurt their cap. The other side i heard was that he should've taken the deal since it was only 4.5mil diff and that he would've continued to be on a championship contender, so they felt he was greedy to reject for just 4.5mil diff but the reality was that it wasn't the 4.5mil, but that extra year he could get from another team...and some team would've offered him the max anyway.
Yea, He probably wanted to leave as well as get that extra year and more total money. I'm not sure I would pass up that oppty either... rings are nice but $25M more is nicer!!! ;-)
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:05 AM
 
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Those pts that OKC depended on from Harden off the bench didn't come in Games 3 and 4 which is why the Finals was not as good as most expected. Most expected the series to return back to OKC but when they lost 3 in a row in Miami that was mostly because of Harden scoring 17 pts total in 2 games.
all i will say again is teams dont make decisions like this based on a single series, or 2-3 games. they would be foolish to think like that, especially in the case of a #3 option who was guarded by one of the best perimeter defenders in the league on the biggest stage of the season when he is only 22-23 years old. teams just dont do that. now had he sucked ALL playoffs then maybe but not one series, just doesnt happen. and sam presti is one of the absolute best in the business he isnt blowing up a trio of that. remember he came from san antonio where the big three was invented, where the "star off the bench" was invented, where he learned how important chemistry is over just numbers. morey in houston has been trying to build a title contender "by the numbers" money ball style and he hasnt learned yet that the nba doenst work that way, presti is of a different school.

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I see what you're saying. If that is true, then Harden shouldn't be criticized, but keep in mind OKC already recently gave Ibaka a big contract too. The financial aspects would've hurt their cap. The other side i heard was that he should've taken the deal since it was only 4.5mil diff and that he would've continued to be on a championship contender, so they felt he was greedy to reject for just 4.5mil diff but the reality was that it wasn't the 4.5mil, but that extra year he could get from another team...and some team would've offered him the max anyway.
not what i read at all...... it is my understanding that he was ok with the money but wanted a trade exception in his contract. basically he wanted a clause saying he could veto any potential trades if he didnt like them. really on kobe has something like that in his contract.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:20 PM
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ESPN asked earlier this evening could James harden score 37 pts again tonight. Well he comes out tonight and scores 45


what is wrong with these coaches? They don't know who James Harden is?
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