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Old 11-30-2011, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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On January 9th the voters will be selecting from among:

Jeff Bagwell, 1B
Jeromy Burnitz, OF *
Vinny Castilla, 3B *
Juan Gonzalez, OF
Brian Jordan, OF *
Barry Larkin, SS
Javy Lopez, C *
Edgar Martinez, 3B/DH
Don Mattingly, 1B
Fred McGriff, 1B
Mark McGwire, 1B
Jack Morris, RHP
Bill Mueller, 3B *
Terry Mulholland, LHP*
Dale Murphy, OF
Phil Nevin, 3B/1B *
Rafael Palmeiro, 1B
Brad Radke, RHP *
Tim Raines, OF
Tim Salmon, OF *
Ruben Sierra, OF *
Lee Smith, RHP
Alan Trammell, SS
Larry Walker, OF
Bernie Williams, OF *
Tony Womack, 2B/SS *
Eric Young, 2B *
* -- first year on ballot.


It is a very weak field of first time elligble candidates, I don't see any of them ever being elected. I'd predict Bernie Williams getting the most votes among the first timers, but not more than 35%. Consequently, this will help those getting reconsideration. Barry Larkin has come closest among that latter group, receiving 62% of the vote last year. The circumstances will probably never be more favorable for Larkin's election, and I expect that he will make this time around.

Others with a chance are Jeff Bagwell and Jack Morris, but Bagwell has been level at 47% support in both of his previous votes, and Morris is up for the 12th time, never having risen higher than 53%. Tim Raines is always a dark horse, Lee Smith gets some editorial support, but I think the most likely outcome will be Larkin and no one else.

Far more interesting will be the 2013 election where the first timer list will feature Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa. (also Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling.)

Last edited by Grandstander; 11-30-2011 at 05:39 PM..
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by Grandstander View Post
On January 9th te voters will be selecting from among:

Jeff Bagwell, 1B
Jeromy Burnitz, OF *
Vinny Castilla, 3B *
Juan Gonzalez, OF
Brian Jordan, OF *
Barry Larkin, SS
Javy Lopez, C *
Edgar Martinez, 3B/DH
Don Mattingly, 1B
Fred McGriff, 1B
Mark McGwire, 1B
Jack Morris, RHP
Bill Mueller, 3B *
Terry Mulholland, LHP*
Dale Murphy, OF
Phil Nevin, 3B/1B *
Rafael Palmeiro, 1B
Brad Radke, RHP *
Tim Raines, OF
Tim Salmon, OF *
Ruben Sierra, OF *
Lee Smith, RHP
Alan Trammell, SS
Larry Walker, OF
Bernie Williams, OF *
Tony Womack, 2B/SS *
Eric Young, 2B *
* -- first year on ballot.


It is a very weak field of first time elligble candidates, I don't see any of them ever being elected. I'd predict Bernie Williams getting the most votes among the first timers, but not more than 35%. Consequently, this will help those getting reconsideration. Barry Larkin has come closest among that latter group, receiving 62% of the vote last year. The circumstances will probably never be more favorable for Larkin's election, and I expect that he will make this time around.

Others with a chance are Jeff Bagwell and Jack Morris, but Bagwell has been level at 47% support in both of his previous votes, and Morris is up for the 12th time, never having risen higher than 53%. Tim Raines is always a dark horse, Lee Smith gets some editorial support, but I think the most likely outcome will be Larkin and no one else.

Far more interesting will be the 2013 election where the first timer list will feature Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa. (also Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling.)

All three for 2013 will be interesting

Agree on the week class though a case seems like could be made for a few
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Only one I can see having a shot is Larkin.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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As a Yankee fan it's weird. Mattingly had a shorter career but his numbers and defense were better during that time but because Bernie had a long enough career, his numbers are good but I don't consider him hall worthy, maybe borderline at best. Mattingly I do consider hall worthy but his shorter career does hurt him.
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: NY
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There are some good players on this ballot, but I am struggling to find players I would equate with the hall of fame.

The players with the statistics are all under the grey steroid cloud. I do not anticipate them getting the votes. Including the newcomers next year.

It will be an interesting vote...

I am hoping the vets committee votes on Ron Santo this year!
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Larkin should be in as the best SS of his generation along with Ripkin. I believe Larry Walker to be highly underrated, though injuries will probably keep him out. Edgar is also the best test-case we have for whether a DH is eligible for the Hall of Fame (the next will be Frank Thomas).
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Larkin should be in as the best SS of his generation along with Ripkin. I believe Larry Walker to be highly underrated, though injuries will probably keep him out. Edgar is also the best test-case we have for whether a DH is eligible for the Hall of Fame (the next will be Frank Thomas).
The problem with Larry Walker is that his numbers were padded with all those years playing for the Rockies.
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