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Old 05-21-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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I hate to get political in the automotive forum, but there's no way around it. If I understand it correctly, under Obama's plan cars will have to get 39mpg by 2016, there's NO WAY that a V8 powered Corvette, Camaro, or Mustang can do that. I seriously doubt anyone will buy a hybrid/electric Corvette. Maybe it's all cars combined must average 39mpg, but still even that way I don't see room in the line up for muscle cars.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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As much as we want to blame him it is not his fault. He is only doing what any other president would be doing. Bush wanted to do the same thing but did not really care as much due to the need for it in the "distant" future and the fact that he was oil money. I would not blame Obama because he is only doing what anyone would do but I think the conventional muscle car will be gone but I do not think fast cars will be. Companies now will just have to think of more innovative ways to produce fast vehicles, and believe me there are MANY other ways.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:43 AM
 
Location: WI
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guess that just means buy one before that deadline
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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guess that just means buy one before that deadline
Yeah, and I feel it will boost the value of the older ones since there won't be any more REAL new ones.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:05 PM
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Jay Leno has answered this question or a similar one very well. Green cars won't kill petrol cars, much in the same way that cars back in the day didn't kill the horse. If anything it stopped the torture and poor care of horses so that they can be used on the weekends recreationally. Muscles cars already exist and they will become classic cars that can be used recreationally on the weekends. Newer muscle cars will most likely lose a bit of that heritage, but that has happened since a long time ago.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:06 PM
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Forgot to add, I do think a full electric muscle car can be a good idea.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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Effective ;yes. In fact i highly doubt that domestic automakers can compete in this new environment. Many european cars will be eliminated unless he lets some in for the elite thru some phoney tax skeeem of pay more. Its liike cap and trade i that it always favors the elite by giving them a out of many such issues.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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These are CAFE standards, the average of MPG for all the cars sold during the model year IIRC. And, GM has some dodges, for example if a Corvette was built to run on E-85 (and before you laugh your head off, Google the stuff and see what it's octane rating is...) only the 15% gasoline burnt counts against the CAFE standards.

It just pushes the builders to sell a lot of small, efficient cars and fewer guzzlers.
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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whatever comes of all this, we can be sure of two things:

- someone will figure out a way to make it go faster

- someone else will figure out how to make it lighter / handle better in the twisites

then the two of them will argue the merits of their modifications to no end

FWIW, I thought something that happened in the 1970s killed the muscle car (I was to little to know) and the modern muscle was just the natural cycle of stronger and faster "becuase we can" repeating itself, only this time with airbags, good brakes, and independant suspension
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Forgot to add, I do think a full electric muscle car can be a good idea.
Maybe, but it would be kinda hard to put a nice sounding set of Flowmasters on an electric motor.
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