Who killed the electric cars? (vehicles, sedan, credit, truck)
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Originally Posted by JBrown
KISS...Keep it Simple Stupid !!
6000 individual cells joined together to power a practical? over the road ,all weather vehicle??.. Lets see ..that's at a minimum 12,000 electric connections just for the power pack...How'd you like to find the 4 or 5 cells that aren't performing up to stuff huh ??
No thanks
I'm absolutely a believer in KISS engineering but.................
As much as I agree with your comment about 12,000 connections I applaud the Tesla's makers for the performance and interest level they're generating.
Surely complicated, $90K+ cars aren't for everyone but if they can get a few out there that perform well they may just interest some investors in backing more research into better battery technology, manufacturing.
I wonder where we'd be had we put as much time/effort/$$$ into eliminating our thirst for oil since the '70s as we've put into fighting for oil?
I don't think the question is the longevity or the efficiency of the EVs' batteries.
The glaring questions, to me anyway, are: Why did GM go to such great lengths to destroy nearly every EV1? Why did Toyota and Ford collect their electric cars at nearly the same time? And why did GM take back the EV1 only after California eased up on its mandate to reduce emissions? Why did California ease up on its mandate?
There are just too many coincidences to believe that the demise of the EVs was based on consumer rejection and not a calculated move by the auto companies in question.
Anyone know if there's some technical reason(s) this type of battery cannot be made in larger units suitable for transportation use?
I'm not an expert on batteries, etc., but recently read that the ore for the materials in those batteries must be mined in the Canadian frozen north, trucked over ice roads down to "civilization", shipped to Europe for processing into the finished raw material, shipped to the orient for manufacture of the battery itself, then shipped back to the US for installation in the retail end-using product. Ironically, the carbon cost of all that shipment apparently exceeds by several factors whatever energy savings might be realized by the product's end use during it's expected lifetime. So if that's the reason I can understand why larger versions aren't commercially available.
btw, recently saw two Teslas running the Tour at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. They looked slick and well-worth the cost. Hope they make it.
As for JBrown's car list, can one really ever brag about any make that uses a Lucas electrical system? I sure couldn't. Total garbage, in my view.
Anyone expecting sensible legislation out of the ***** [not a bad word, just didn't want to insult imbeciles] in Sacramento either doesn't live in the golden state, or hasn't been following it's political news for the past decade. Nothing they do there surprises me anymore.
Li-lon batteries just like others have a certain number of charges they are good for . They also can be a fire hazard if not treated right. The disposal of batteries has become a problem in this country just because of the laptop. If you have ever had anyhting that you constantly uses batteries you know that the can be a problem.Li-lon batteries are very much more subject to fires and explosion than say even nickel metal hydride batteries.that is why packs of them have a builtin limter in the pack that helps keep prevent problems but like all things battery things happen but just more disasterly with Li-lon.
As for JBrown's car list, can one really ever brag about any make that uses a Lucas electrical system? I sure couldn't. Total garbage, in my view.
I really hesitate to reply to this but....
You clearly didn't follow the exchange between Burdell and myself. Let me give you a clue since you don't seem to have one. I was clearly poking fun at myself for some very poor "practical" vehicle choices made in the past!
(albeit some fun rides)
I'm sorry if you havn't been able to afford toys like this but I was not bragging. I was in fact offering up some fun at my own expense. Go back and try to actually understand the light hearted exchange without the envious chip on your shoulder.
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