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The assumption that this entire nonsensical rant relies on is that you paid $12,500 more for the car because it was electric. I paid the same amount for my Tesla, less actually, than I would have if I had gone for the BMW or Audi....
What am I missing?
Compare a hybrid or EV vs its conventional ICE counterpart from the same manufacturer. If you drive the average 20,000mpy, it'll take 30 yrs of "gas savings" to break even on the price differential.
But, we do award you with a cookie for being a good boy and driving a Tesla.
BTW- unless you charge it with your own solar or wind generator, you're dumping more co2 into the air than if you drove comparable distances with an ICE.
What a bizarre bit of analysis and discussion by the OP! And the OP's most recent link has nothing to do with how to extend the life of ICE.
Worse, to totally neglect the life cycle costs of maintenance in a claimed financial analysis is just not reasonable. Just consider the cost of oil changes (full synthetic these days) over 100K for example. I have yet to see an electric that requires those?
If your usage range isn't above optimum charging miles you could extend battery life, however.
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Originally Posted by TexasLawyer2000
I think the biggest assumption and failure here is the life of the battery. It was assumed that hybrid batteries would only last 8-12 years. We now know that even the earliest mainstream hybrid batteries last double that while maintaining 70-90% of their initial charge.
I'd imagine that the higher quality batteries being used in today's electric cars would last either that long or longer.
If your usage range isn't above optimum charging miles you could extend battery life, however.
A number of caveats still exist.
How clean your power is. How efficient your/their charger is. Where you are doing the charging.
My experience as an industrial electrician and as a wheel and track mechanic is where the information is based.
As a lease short term getting your feet wet in the E.V. market could be an educational entry point.
Gas pumps for years have been required to have backup power. At worst in an emergency, a backup generator and an electrician will bring a gas station back on line at a minimal cost in a short time.
BTW- unless you charge it with your own solar or wind generator, you're dumping more co2 into the air than if you drove comparable distances with an ICE.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? The last data I saw widely varied based on the energy production in your state. Even the dirtiest coal states have my car as equivalent to a 40mpg car. That’s in West Virginia. In states that use a lot of hydro or nuclear power, it is in the 150 mpg range.
However, read on the attached link where the real cost of an E.V.'s battery is as much of 50% of the cars total cost.
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Originally Posted by SkyDog77
You are clearly not an economist. I’m not paying $12,500 for a battery. I’m paying $50K for a car. I would have spent the same for an ICE car.
However, read on the attached link where the real cost of an E.V.'s battery can be as much of 50% of the cars total cost. Then add in the cost of the solar backup and the cost and the cost of the conventional charger. After you do that add in the 25 percent your income has already been taxed before the purchase of your all these things.
Dirty power was a reference to the quality of power arriving at the home via aging transmission lines. Low quality power can go unnoticed by the untrained. Failures and loss of expected appliance longevity can occur because of low or varying voltage being delivered. I guess you can compare it to periodic tanks of bad gas on an ice car.
Same circumstance can occur a step up the line, your cars charger or solar installation. In the end it's a bean counters dream.
However, read on the attached link where the real cost of an E.V.'s battery can be as much of 50% of the cars total cost. Then add in the cost of the solar backup and the cost and the cost of the conventional charger. After you do that add in the 25 percent your income has already been taxed before the purchase of your all these things.
Dirty power was a reference to the quality of power arriving at the home via aging transmission lines. Low quality power can go unnoticed by the untrained. Failures and loss of expected appliance longevity can occur because of low or varying voltage being delivered. I guess you can compare it to periodic tanks of bad gas on an ice car.
Same circumstance can occur a step up the line, your cars charger or solar installation. In the end it's a bean counters dream.
You’re still positing that I would have spent $12,500 less on another car. I wouldn’t have.
The cost of a battery, charging system, and a solar backup plus install costs is not being presented as part of the cost of E.V. ownership. Add to that trip restrictions, and as much unseen maintenance costs as any I.C.E. vehicle.
The $12,500 is a trade off for the I.C.E. drive train. Which as I have mentioned has proven to be 1,000,000 mile capable with no routing restrictions..
I'd say adding previous mentioned costs and the smaller world that is forced upon E.V owners, is well beyond that $12,500 plus interest for the 10 year up front prorated battery life purchase.
If you are happy with your purchase nothing else matters. May your E.V go forever and a day. This is just a public forum and I am here to contribute my experience and opinion and learn what I can from others in the process.
You’re still positing that I would have spent $12,500 less on another car. I wouldn’t have.
You're paying for extra battery capacity. What you have is a $37500 car that cost $50K. The extra $12500 is basically a larger "gas tank" and not more car.
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If your usage range isn't above optimum charging miles you could extend battery life, however.
