'Never buy first year model car' rule. Does it apply for buying a used car? (GTR, manual transmission)
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Sort of a thread hijack, but my question is related to the topic.
Does the general advice given here post mean I should NOT buy a new 2018 Honda Odyssey (new 5th generation with new 9-speed SBW transmission) or new 2017 or 2018 Toyota Sienna (still 3rd generation, but all new problematic 8-speed transmission)??
I don't want to buy used though, and I want an Odyssey or Sienna. Am I stuck until 2019 without a car?? I need a new car since my current Sienna is beyond repair.
There are lots of reviews on both of these vehicles. Purchase what you like. Ford already had a recall on the 2018 Mustang 10 spd automatic transmission, but it was a software problem. Not a fan of these multi, multi speed automatics. In some situation, the trans will be constantly searching for the right gear.
There are lots of reviews on both of these vehicles. Purchase what you like. Ford already had a recall on the 2018 Mustang 10 spd automatic transmission, but it was a software problem. Not a fan of these multi, multi speed automatics. In some situation, the trans will be constantly searching for the right gear.
That's what I heard too. I don't know why they fixed something that didn't need fixing.
Sort of a thread hijack, but my question is related to the topic.
Does the general advice given here post mean I should NOT buy a new 2018 Honda Odyssey (new 5th generation with new 9-speed SBW transmission) or new 2017 or 2018 Toyota Sienna (still 3rd generation, but all new problematic 8-speed transmission)??
I don't want to buy used though, and I want an Odyssey or Sienna. Am I stuck until 2019 without a car?? I need a new car since my current Sienna is beyond repair.
Even Honda’s old transmission was terrible Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems
Get whatever you want. If there’s a problem, they’ll send out a recall and you’ll get a loaner car while they fix it. By the time the warranty runs out, all the bugs will be fixed. If it’s still acting up, dump it and get another one right before the warranty runs out.
That's what I heard too. I don't know why they fixed something that didn't need fixing.
Before they worked out all the bugs on 8 and 9 speeds they started jumping to 10 speeds all looking to save half an mpg. Just use a CVT and be done with it.
Before they worked out all the bugs on 8 and 9 speeds they started jumping to 10 speeds all looking to save half an mpg. Just use a CVT and be done with it.
I will! Except the Nissan CVT transmissions are horrible, and have been since 2002. Nissan has not bothered to fix the problem. I will never buy a Nissan.
I will! Except the Nissan CVT transmissions are horrible, and have been since 2002. Nissan has not bothered to fix the problem. I will never buy a Nissan.
I personally don’t like CVT’s at all, but the trend of transmissions seems to be that we’ll eventually see so many gears that a CVT would be a far simplier solution.
Sometimes there is an advantage in buying the first model year - depending on foreign exchange currency values many foreign manufacturers actively “decontent” vehicles after the first model year to keep the price consistent. This would apply to new or used.
I was in the car manufacturing business for almost 30 years. It is true that there was a time when first year models had a large number of concerns. Thanks to computer technology that is no longer the case. Of course, there are duds that come along with any new model, but the overwhelming % of new models are as reliable as anything out there. You have to remember that cars are assembled to very close tolerances today. What used to be acceptable 5 years ago just won’t get it today, never mind the way it used to be 25 years ago.
Engine manufacturing tolerances are now measured in tiny microns, thus ensuring better fit and longer lasting components. Even assembly of the actual car body is light years ahead of how it used to be because computers can simulate assembly and snuff out problems before the vehicle ever gets to the production floor. All of this, plus a lot of auto manufacturers no longer shut down to retool for a new model. This used to take three months during which time any number of things would be missed, engineers incorrectly, or whatever all leasing to a poorly produced new model vehicle. Manufacturers have learned Honda’s secret new model change, which means as the last car of the preceding model year rolls down the line, the first car of the new model is right behind it.
As to your comment about parts that fail being fixed to be used at a later date, no way is that true. Every auto manufacturer is scared to death of incurring the cost of a recall for defective parts and they will scrap defective parts rather than fix them. Unless of course the fix brings the part back to the original level of safety, which rarely happens. Think about it, is it cheaper to pay for the labor to fix a part and risk failure, or use a new part that meets the specifications?
I am not reading past page 1 because you know more about this than any of us do. Thanks for the info.
I will! Except the Nissan CVT transmissions are horrible, and have been since 2002. Nissan has not bothered to fix the problem. I will never buy a Nissan.
I have a 2015 Nissan Sentra never had a problem with the cat transmission. People get me just because a certain car manufacturer had a problem Lon time age people still think the same problem exist today, I guess we have allot of automotive powertrain engineers on here and know what they are talking about.
I will! Except the Nissan CVT transmissions are horrible, and have been since 2002. Nissan has not bothered to fix the problem. I will never buy a Nissan.
If you can find one with a manual transmission...almost never have problems with those. You will use up a clutch eventually, but that's a fairly standard job most shops can do on budget and on time.
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