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Prove it. And, no, nothing in that post you quoted serves as proof. It doesn't matter how many times you call me a liar - there is no magic number of attempts that will make it so.
Let me give you a hint: that Fortune 100 company is in the automotive industry. It makes cars. Lots of cars. Pretty, pretty cars. Sometimes trucks, too. Big, honkin' trucks.
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I wouldn't include the big Japanese companies in that description. Their bread and butter cars are bland and boring, but as a company, they are capable of innovation and being leaders in a particular market segment if they want to. Look at Toyota with their Supra or the Lexus LFA, or Nissan with their GTR, or Honda with their NSX. It's kind of funny... American, German, and Italian companies you could say base their brand image around their "halo" car... Corvette for Chevy, Viper/Hellcat for Chrysler, AMG for Mercedes, etc... while for the Japanese companies, it's the other way around it seems. Their every day cars are what they want to showcase.
That being said, all the Chinese auto companies (and to a lesser extent Kia) are still engaged in ripping off the designs of other automakers rather than come up with their own.
I agree there are exceptions with some nice cars made by some of the Japanese companies, this is why I said most.
However when it comes to true performance innovation, all of them are still coming from behind - which is normal given how many more years of engineering experience Europeans have ahead of them.
This engineering experience and know how is the reason for the big difference on the driving feel (for people who love driving).
Wow, the stupid sure is strong in you, isn't it? You've got an MBA from a second rate school and your entire career is in marketing. Yes, I can see how you might have gotten that confused with automotive design. Both careers have letters in them... they share an "A", an "E" and even a "T"!
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Moreover, if you actually bothered to read any of my posts...
Don't worry, I wouldn't dream of making THAT mistake again!
Prove it. And, no, nothing in that post you quoted serves as proof. It doesn't matter how many times you call me a liar - there is no magic number of attempts that will make it so.
Let me give you a hint: that Fortune 100 company is in the automotive industry. It makes cars. Lots of cars. Pretty, pretty cars. Sometimes trucks, too. Big, honkin' trucks.
The only automotive company that makes pretty cars and big trucks is Mercedes with G63 6X6 and G500 4X4, semi's... but I didn't see them listed on the Fortune 100 list.
Check this out! It falls into my plan to open tons of restaurants called Taco Juan's which each one will be across the street from my competitor Taco John's
The sad thing is, a company like Porsche or Mercedes could sue these companies for copyright/patent infringement... but they won't. If they did that, they'd probably end up being shut out of doing business in China, which is key to future growth as China's wealth and middle class become larger, and since China won't crack down on any companies in any industry making knock-offs, there would be no point to it.
... And I think your restaurant name actually makes more sense.
The only automotive company that makes pretty cars and big trucks is Mercedes with G63 6X6 and G500 4X4, semi's... but I didn't see them listed on the Fortune 100 list.
He works for Ford for their marketing department. I guess they're in a serious revenue decline, having to cut loose their design teams and making the marketing guys take over vehicle design.
Wow, the stupid sure is strong in you, isn't it? You've got an MBA from a second rate school and your entire career is in marketing. Yes, I can see how you might have gotten that confused with automotive design. Both careers have letters in them... they share an "A", an "E" and even a "T"!
Did I, at any point in time, claim to be working in automotive design? I claimed to have knowledge of it, which, yes, by virtue of being employed by an auto OEM in marketing I do.
Also, second-rate school? You're funny. Luckily I'm actually secure enough in my education, career and opinions that I don't need to prove anything to an online troll. Good day, sir.
The only automotive company that makes pretty cars and big trucks is Mercedes with G63 6X6 and G500 4X4, semi's... but I didn't see them listed on the Fortune 100 list.
Eh, depends on how you define pretty and big, I guess. Some would say the RAM Rebel and the Raptor are plenty stonkin' big and the Mustang and Camaro are pretty enough. And yet some others wouldn't. And that's OK.
The sad thing is, a company like Porsche or Mercedes could sue these companies for copyright/patent infringement... but they won't.
I wish I could resist, but I should have probably asked from the very beginning: what law school did you go to that you're so certain of this?
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He works for Ford for their marketing department. I guess they're in a serious revenue decline, having to cut loose their design teams and making the marketing guys take over vehicle design.
Nah, we're good. I wouldn't know CAD if you hit me over the head with a designer's laptop (actually, I wouldn't know much of anything if you did that - those things are HEAVY). Luckily I don't claim to, no matter what you infer from my posts. But you keep on keepin' on. If by trying to put me down you somehow elevate your own existence, it's no sweat off my back.
Korean cars just don't have a really good genre or market definition car. They don't have any major Motorsport presence. Autosport sells a lot of creds to a nameplate.
Hyundai has been quite active in WRC rally for what, 15 years now? Kia has been campaigning a Forte Koupe in the Pirelli World Challenge for 6 years. They're getting there.
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I see that Subaru Impreza 2017 just won the Japanese car of the year award. When was the last time a Korean car maker won an American or foreign car of the year award?
The Optima won the ICOTY award and the Sorrento won the International SUV of the Year award at the 2015 LA Auto Show. The K900 won ICOTY at the 2014 show.
The Elantra won NACOTY in 2012 and was named to Wards 10 Best in 2016.
The Tuscon was named best value in the CUV segment by U.S. News, won Motorweek's Drivers Choice in the small SUV segment, and won J.D. Power's Appeal Award in the small SUV segment in 2016.
The Genesis and Santa Fe were named Consumer Guide automotive best buys in 2016.
The Sonata won KBB's Best Family Car award in 2016 and was on C&D's 10Best list in 2011.
The Hyundai brand was KBB's 5-year Cost to Own overall award winner in 2016.
The Stinger just won the EyesOn Design award for production car design excellence at the NAIAS.
The 2017 Sportage just won the Cars.com award for best new compact SUV.
The Soul just made C&D's 10Best trucks & SUVs list and Consumer Guide's Best Buy list.
The Kia line won JD Power's IQS top nameplate award in 2016.
The Optima won KBB's Best Buy award for mid-size cars in 2015.
etc....
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