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Old 04-14-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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For the last 4 years in a row, Toyota has given a massive recall of their cars for defective parts or crappy assembly. Now they have just recalled another 1.7 million vechiles on top of all the other recalls they have experienced the last 4 years. Thsi recall also includes Honda and Nissan. This is their first major recall.

QUESTION?
Do ya'll think TOYOTA is falling into the same trap American car companies did when they were labeled the BIGGEST CAR Manufacturer in the world. Is TOYOTA more interested in selling the most cars today instead of putting out cars that last like they used too. Every year since 2009 when they took over GM as the biggest car company/sales, they get a massive recall on their products.


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireS...ecall-18929787
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are recalling more than 3 million vehicles globally for an identical problem with air bags on the passenger side whose inflator may burst, sending plastic pieces flying.

No injuries have been reported related to the problem.

The recall for air bags made by Japan's Takata Corp. affects other automakers including non-Japanese manufacturers, Takata spokeswoman Akiko Watanabe said Thursday. She declined to give details.

Toyota Motor Corp. is recalling 1.7 million vehicles, with some 580,000 in North America, another 490,000 in Europe and 320,000 in Japan. Affected models include the Corolla, Tundra, Lexus SC, produced between November 2000 and March 2004.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I don't know, it could be a statistical illusion. Do we have historical data showing recalls vs year or recalls vs cars manufactured by year? Maybe nothing has changed at all.

Are you reacting to one news story? We need more information.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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It's a wrong question. Toyota historically already been in bed with GM for years. Like Mitsubishi was with Chrysler/Dodge. Recall, how many shared cars GM and Toyoda had. And if you ever paid attention, even similar technical issues. I reckon, that sort of sticks to you, wouldn't it? (like, say, Mazda haunted by kahutz with Ford)
As of your question... He who is without a sin himself...
We all do make mistakes, honest or intended. Question is not to have a recall. Question is - to find what's wrong and fix it so that it does not happen again. Say, GM is an old stubborn goat, that simply refuses to fix known errors. ISS clunk is in their trucks for over a dozen years, and they don't make any changes. They will send 6 page "it is normal" letter out about piston slap, instead of investing into better machining and QC.
So, if Toyoda finds an issue and fixes it - kudos to them. If they find an issue and come up with bs letter - well, that just answered your question, aye, mate?
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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To understand the situation you have to look at the methodology of the car makers. Toyota, like the US makers, does not stock any parts. The parts are being made at the plant and as soon as the parts are ready they go straight to the assembly line where they are installed. Most of these parts are made by outside contractors who are under contract to provide the parts on time. Toyota and the US makers require the contractors to implement a QC system but they only see a few ot the parts and a lot of the inspectors are not well trained. So the parts may not necessarily be coming out as designed. Then you also have the design of the parts so that the assembly time is limited. This can effect the quality of the end product. When the system is moving as fast as it does to make the volume of cars/trucks of a world sales leader, things start to come apart and there's more room for error. So yes, Toyota is no better than the any other makers in this regard. Where I've seen Toyota fall drastically behind is in the engine technologies. They're about 10-12 years behind any of the top 5 auto makers and it's showing as the life expectancy of any of the top 5 makers is far beyond Toyotas design life at 150,000 miles.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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There's a lot of problems GM has had that they refused to even acknowledge, they just let them roll and let the customers deal with it.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Toyota would have a long time to catch up to the low quality legacy of GM, about four decades of building junk.

Plus they would have to get a bailout by the government.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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The news article the OP linked to alludes to it a bit, but auto parts these days are sourced from a handful of manufacturers that work with multiple car companies. The car companies actually make very few parts themselves and, in this case, Toyota likely has less of a role than you'd think. As far as the size/scale of these recalls, Toyota and many others are starting to share more parts between models and the parts manufacturers sell the same part to multiple car companies. With Toyota alone selling nearly 10 million cars a year, any recall is bound to be large. I think the reason we're seeing more of them also has to do with our litigious society. It's cheaper and smarter for a car company to issue a voluntary recall to check for and repair a problem than to ignore it and face potential lawsuits and liability if an accident were to occur. Lawyers see dollar signs and Toyota is a huge target.

Personally, I don't think recalls are a bad thing. At least the manufacturer is acknowledging a problem and fixing it. It's when they deny a problem exists and leave their customers out to dry that they should be called out.

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Old 04-14-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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If you loo the Feds are now look at unintented accleratio of GM cars .Also there have been mnay recalls not just toyota.Ford for fires etc.I really don't thnik with all the brands now their will ever be a big three again especially has we are not the largest market for vehicles anymore.One only has to look at owner reports to see that the former big three have had reliability problems lately from reproted probelms with so mnay new models introduced. None of Big three were on consumer reports reliabilty leaders.I suspect tho like Toyota the finding o GM maybe the same;owner error.
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Old 04-14-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands
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Do ya'll think TOYOTA is falling into the same trap American car companies did .... Is TOYOTA more interested in selling the most cars today instead of putting out cars that last like they used too.
No.

There is a huge difference between the US car company culture and Toyota. Yes, Toyota have made mistakes and will continue to do so. And with the advance complexity of cars I am not surprised. However, I don't see any sign that Toyota are going the same route as the big 3.
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Old 04-14-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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Keep in mind that recalls are usually involving safety issues. Known problems that don't affect the safety of said vehicle aren't subject to recall, the companies aren't in a big hurry to fix them and aren't under obligation to do so for free. So GM continues to produce vehicles with piston slap, dodgy transmissions, leaking intake manifold gaskets, etc, and as long as they get past the warranty they're happy.
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