09-22-2012, 07:55 AM
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My wife and I are considering moving our young family (two girls: 4 1/2 and 2 1/2) to Austin from the suburbs of Minneapolis/St. Paul. I'd take a job with one of the .coms at North Capital of Texas/360 and Westlake, just south of the Pennybacker Bridge over Lake Austin.
My question mostly relates to commute times to get to this part of town - I have read the threads below about commuting from (e.g. Lakeway, Steiner) into downtown, but I don't have to get 'all the way' in. I would commute every weekday and would go to/from the airport once or twice a month.
For context...we've always owned 'old' housing stock in the Northeast and Midwest (1927/1911/1920) but in this move I've promised my wife we could build a new home or buy substantially newer construction (e.g. 2008+). We don't want a large house (we have had 1,420/1,523/1,142 sf) so >3,000 is too much. We would fit easily into the payments for a $500,000 home, and if we can spend less, we'd save and give more.
We spent last weekend neighborhood hunting and like the Bee Cave area, and specifically the Sweetwater development. We also drove Falconhead West, but didn't learn about Rough Hollow until we left Austin. We like the hills, views, 5-miles-to-shopping, in-community waterpark/pool and LTISD schools. We currently Montessori school both our pre-Kindergarten children (have heard good things about Bluebonnet on Debba Dr in Lakeway) and would continue Montessori until they enroll in public schools.
In this last week, every morning and evening we fire up Google Maps and look at traffic from 360/Westlake to/from Sweetwater, and every night 2244/Bee Cave appears green all the way, as I'd first get onto 2244/Bee Cave west of 360. (I see that east of 360, 2244 can get jammed up.) I've read some threads here(1) that suggest that 2244 west of 360 might be full of crazy/dangerous drivers, but I have not read or seen on Google Maps that 2244 gets jammed with rush hour traffic. Is this too naive to be true? I've read and heard about West Austin traffic and the lack of secondary routes on many corridors - is it true that 2244 and/or the number of people who need to make my specific burb-to-burb commute are sparse enough that this 23-minutes-on-Sunday drive can remain reliably 30-minutes-or-less weekdays?
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Lakeway Commute (April 2008)
How is the commute from Lakeway to... (February 2011)
Bee Cave (April 2012)
Bee Cave Rd./FM 2244 - Avoid if you can (May 2012)
09-22-2012, 12:01 PM
Location: Austin, TX/London, UK
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I live inside 360 in Westlake and avoid Bee Cave Rd (2244) west of 360 like the plague. Bee Cave inside 360 isn't that bad, but the part you would have to use from 360 to 71 is. In the morning and afternoon it is always backed up on the west side of the intersection of 360. During the summer time while still bad, it isn't close to as bad as after school starts. In it is not uncommon for Bee Cave to be backed up all the way from 360 to Barton Springs Rd, and during the summer it is backed up about half that far though sometimes still gets that bad.
Not sure why Google isn't showing it, but I can assure you it is backed up every morning and afternoon. In the afternoons many of those who work @ like AMD and such on Southwest PKWY use Bee Caves to get to 360, so it gets backed up then too. Though I guess that won't really mater since you will be going the other way going home.
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09-22-2012, 12:05 PM
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I live on the "other side" of SH71 from Sweetwater. I have been driving from this area to the Arboretum area since 1998. I drive 71 to 2244 to 360 to Great Hills Trail.
2244 west of 360 does not have crazy drivers in general. It has some typical Austin drivers that clog the left lane absent mindedly going too slow. In rush hour that behavior doesn't matter as much. But otherwise the rush hour commute moves if not as fast as I'd like. 2244 is noticaebly slower between 7:30 and 8:15 than it is earlier or later.
I think 30 mins to Westlake Dr. should be reliable from Sweetwater. I wish that were my drive.
09-22-2012, 01:12 PM
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BevoLJ, thank you. I have thought similarly - it seems that the left turn from Bee Cave/2244 eastbound onto CapTX/360 northbound is both a) a pretty sharp turn and b) would get jampacked during rush hour, as that left turn lane before the underpass only seems to have room for 6-8 cars before they would impede the through lanes. This also gave me good context for AMD traffic (if I interpret correctly, you're suggesting some AMDers head west on Southwest Pkwy to Barton Creek north to Bee Cave east to 360 so as to avoid the always-looks-packed 71 east/360 north, right? Conveniently that is the opposite of me, but is good for me to know.) Thanks so much.
09-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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hoffdano, thank you - I don't think I could have asked for a more identical perspective! I see that you have a 45-ish minute no traffic drive and that I get to exit 360 before the bridge and about 5 miles before you do, and those 5 miles after the bridge toward the Arboretum seems to be busier.
If I may ask, you might have some context on my other options - we've considered Great Hills (and specifically the area around Sierra Vista/Sierra Nevada) as another neighborhood as well, but Google Maps tells me that getting from this part of Upper Great Hills to 360/Westlake in the morning or 360/Westlake to Upper Great Hills in the evening can easily be 20-25 minutes, and if that's true, we'd tip toward Sweetwater and your neck of the woods for the views, the schools and what must to you seem to be the encroaching commercialization and shopping areas.
09-22-2012, 02:56 PM
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BevoLJ, thank you. I have thought similarly - it seems that the left turn from Bee Cave/2244 eastbound onto CapTX/360 northbound is both a) a pretty sharp turn and b) would get jampacked during rush hour, as that left turn lane before the underpass only seems to have room for 6-8 cars before they would impede the through lanes. This also gave me good context for AMD traffic (if I interpret correctly, you're suggesting some AMDers head west on Southwest Pkwy to Barton Creek north to Bee Cave east to 360 so as to avoid the always-looks-packed 71 east/360 north, right? Conveniently that is the opposite of me, but is good for me to know.) Thanks so much.
You are welcome.
That turn is really bad. But it is probably the worst part of the commute. Overall, I don't think it will be a bad commute, just wanted to warn you on that intersection and stretch of road. Expect it to always be backed up. Most all suburban commutes one way or another have a spot like that. The 30 mins or so it will take you most mornings is pretty normal for Austin's suburbs.
Regarding Southwest Pkwy, yep... lots of them use Bee Caves Rd. I shouldn't have just mentioned AMD. It isn't just their fault. There are tons and tons of other huge tech companies down there. And they seem to just keep popping up like weeds. One is adding a big expansion and like 500 jobs, another like 300 over the next couple years, and there is a large new 350k" office or something planned to be built down there. But the city has been working on the overpasses for the 71/290 and Mopac intersection right where SW Pkwy runs into it there. That may help it out a lot, and maybe less of the SW Pkwy workers will use Bee Caves Rd? I hope so.
09-22-2012, 08:14 PM
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hoffdano, thank you - I don't think I could have asked for a more identical perspective! I see that you have a 45-ish minute no traffic drive and that I get to exit 360 before the bridge and about 5 miles before you do, and those 5 miles after the bridge toward the Arboretum seems to be busier.
If I may ask, you might have some context on my other options - we've considered Great Hills (and specifically the area around Sierra Vista/Sierra Nevada) as another neighborhood as well, but Google Maps tells me that getting from this part of Upper Great Hills to 360/Westlake in the morning or 360/Westlake to Upper Great Hills in the evening can easily be 20-25 minutes, and if that's true, we'd tip toward Sweetwater and your neck of the woods for the views, the schools and what must to you seem to be the encroaching commercialization and shopping areas.
Southbound 360 in the morning is worse - hence the times you project. They sound about right. Northbound 360 is much worse in the afternoon.
09-22-2012, 09:47 PM
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I commute everyday down 2244 but I make right turn on 360 in the morning and come back in the afternoon.
I leave the same time as my kids, which is around 7:20. It is a breeze. No traffic for that left turn either. But around 8, 2244 east bound is a mess. May last about 1 hour.
Going home was never a problem.
This is because of the schools are not kind of old in this area and traffic engineering was not good. Hence during summer, traffic is much better.
And I would recommend an established community instead of sweet water. That subdivision just started, and it might be another 10 years before it is built out.
Good luck.
09-25-2012, 08:49 AM
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I just thought I'd add something about my commute this morning. I left the Nitro swimming pool at 7:01 a.m. I reached Lake Austin at 7:21 a.m. Traffic was lighter than usual. Never sat at a light for more than one cycle on Bee Caves Rd. or 360.
09-25-2012, 09:07 AM
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Hill Country, thank you, and my apologies for my belated reply. Your reply is exceptionally helpful to me - it really seems to cement in my mind that Bee Cave/2244 has the opportunity to be nice and swift moving, especially outside of the 7:45-8:30am window of time, which seems quite reasonable. I also appreciate the neighborhood advice and we'll look into some others in that area. Thanks!
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People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)