Majority of Georgians Support Medical Marijuana, Disapprove of Guns on Campus (Atlanta: university, law)

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by erick295

Obviously, but Neil implied it wasn't legitimate self-defense (assuming that was even what he was talking about... if not I think my point is still valid, just not relevant to his post lol).

EDIT: Come to think of it it's relevant either way, because if he really means that latter case, that hasn't even gone to trial yet so it's a bit early for someone who wasn't even involved to be drawing conclusions about it

Next time, read my entire post. Neil wasn't talking about Zimmerman

[erick295]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

Next time, read my entire post.

I did. "That latter case" = your link.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by erick295

Obviously, but Neil implied it wasn't legitimate self-defense (assuming that was even what he was talking about.

Not what I said (or meant at all). What I said and meant is that the fact of the matter is risk exists from poorly trained or untrained people with firearms, and that cases of misuse of firearms by "law abiding citizens" are more the norm than cases where a firearm saved someone's life.

Obviously there are cases where people defend themselves with a firearm. I'm not denying or debating the obvious. There are many more "accidents" where kids shoot themselves or others with a legal gun belonging to an adult, or cases where a legal gun is used by a "law abiding citizen" who has decided not to be law abiding anymore and instead shoot up a college, school, shopping center, or movie theater.

The question was about guns on college campuses, and I'm not in favor of guns in the hands of untrained teens and early 20-something's. The risk is higher than the benefit in my opinion.

[Lady's Man]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Not what I said (or meant at all). What I said and meant is that the fact of the matter is risk exists from poorly trained or untrained people with firearms, and that cases of misuse of firearms by "law abiding citizens" are more the norm than cases where a firearm saved someone's life.

Obviously there are cases where people defend themselves with a firearm. I'm not denying or debating the obvious. There are many more "accidents" where kids shoot themselves or others with a legal gun belonging to an adult, or cases where a legal gun is used by a "law abiding citizen" who has decided not to be law abiding anymore and instead shoot up a college, school, shopping center, or movie theater.

The question was about guns on college campuses, and I'm not in favor of guns in the hands of untrained teens and early 20-something's. The risk is higher than the benefit in my opinion.

you mean you don't want a bunch drunk college kids packing heat? what's the worst that can happen?

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by Lady's Man

you mean you don't want a bunch drunk college kids packing heat? what's the worst that can happen?

Exactly. Call me old fashioned.

[ChefRamsey]

Guns on campus are a bad idea. Kids are alcoholics and usually heavy drug abusers. Their brains also haven't fully developing until about 25 - especially the decision making part of the brain.


Poor decision, but oh well.

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Guns on campus are a bad idea. Kids are alcoholics and usually heavy drug abusers. Their brains also haven't fully developing until about 25 - especially the decision making part of the brain.


Poor decision, but oh well.

(bolding mine) EXCUSE ME!? Where's your data for college kids usually being alcoholics and heavy drug abusers? Are you also suggesting that the CCW permit age be raised to 25? Or just as far as college campuses are concerned?

On the whole college campus carry debate, I could see a compromise being "open" campuses allowing it such as Georgia Tech, Georgia State, UGA, while "closed" campuses like Southern Poly, some of the Perimeter campuses not owing to that fact that strangers are less likely to be just wandering through. With Georgia Tech/GSU sharing borders with unrestricted public buildings, it doesn't make sense to continue the prohibition.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by MattCW

(bolding mine) EXCUSE ME!? Where's your data for college kids usually being alcoholics and heavy drug abusers? Are you also suggesting that the CCW permit age be raised to 25? Or just as far as college campuses are concerned?

On the whole college campus carry debate, I could see a compromise being "open" campuses allowing it such as Georgia Tech, Georgia State, UGA, while "closed" campuses like Southern Poly, some of the Perimeter campuses not owing to that fact that strangers are less likely to be just wandering through. With Georgia Tech/GSU sharing borders with unrestricted public buildings, it doesn't make sense to continue the prohibition.

I think the words "alcoholics" and drug "abusers" may overstate things, but Matt...did you go to college? There is a lot of alcohol and a lot of drugs on and around most college campuses. Teens and 20 something's are notorious for bad judgment with regard to intoxicating substances, and I say that as the father of a 20 year old, a 17 year old, and a 16 year old. The last thing that needs to be added to the equation is a gun.

A fight without a gun could result in someone getting injured and beat up, but if someone is drunk and plays Dirty Harry, things could end much worse. Again, I look at the risk/reward of things. The risk is significantly higher than the reward.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by neil0311

I think the words "alcoholics" and drug "abusers" may overstate things, but Matt...did you go to college? There is a lot of alcohol and a lot of drugs on and around most college campuses. Teens and 20 something's are notorious for bad judgment with regard to intoxicating substances, and I say that as the father of a 20 year old, a 17 year old, and a 16 year old. The last thing that needs to be added to the equation is a gun.

A fight without a gun could result in someone getting injured and beat up, but if someone is drunk and plays Dirty Harry, things could end much worse. Again, I look at the risk/reward of things. The risk is significantly higher than the reward.

Well said. As the mother of a 33, 30 and 25 yo, I remember all too well the anxiety of your young ones leaving the nest. This will just increase it.

[westau]

For those talking about drunk teenagers carrying guns around campus keep in mind that you have to be 21 to get a carry permit in Georgia and it is illegal to carry while intoxicated so if they were to pass a law allowing it on campus most of your scenarios would still be illegal just as they are today.