New Atlanta Falcons Stadium (lease, tickets, affluent)

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by MDAllstar

NFL stadiums belong in the suburbs. They don't have enough games a year to warrant taking up the valuable real estate they absorb. They are way too large for an urban city. There isn't one example of an urban stadium anywhere that can provide the same vibrant mixed use neighborhood as the Verizon Center in Penn Quarter, Nationals Stadium in Capitol Riverfront, or D.C. United’s Future Stadium in Buzzard Point. These stadiums offer way more games and are integrated into the fabric of the city with urban guidelines.

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I tend to agree.

The Doraville GM site here in Atlanta would have been great for the Falcons stadium. It's got excellent MARTA access and is at the intersection of major interstates and surface roads. That would be an an excellent re-purposing of an old industrial site.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I tend to agree.

The Doraville GM site here in Atlanta would have been great for the Falcons stadium. It's got excellent MARTA access and is at the intersection of major interstates and surface roads. That would be an an excellent re-purposing of an old industrial site.

There is nothing around that site. Where are people going to eat? H Mart? Plus I'm sure the site is highly contaminated.

[Lady's Man]

I think it's funny some people think the fans come only from Cobb and Gwinnett counties. There are a ton of people that rely on Marta to get to the games.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by cqholt

There is nothing around that site. Where are people going to eat? H Mart?

Well, I would assume they'll do what most people do now. Tailgate, buy food from one of the stadium vendors, or swing by a nearby restaurant. There are a zillion places to eat around there.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Well, I would assume they'll do what most people do now. Tailgate, buy food from one of the stadium vendors, or swing by a nearby restaurant. There are a zillion places to eat around there.

Not like there is downtown. There very little within walking distance of that site, when compared to what is within walking distance of the current Dome.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Not like there is downtown. There very little within walking distance of that site, when compared to what is within walking distance of the current Dome.

Didn't most of the restaurants near the dome come in after it was built? I'm sure you'd see the same in Doraville.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by Lady's Man

I think it's funny some people think the fans come only from Cobb and Gwinnett counties. There are a ton of people that rely on Marta to get to the games.

I like the stadium downtown, but there are obvious drawbacks to that location to a lot of fans. The tailgating sucks. Sure you can ride MARTA, but that isn't what football in the South is about. The entire gameday is an event and having limited parking (or deck parking) limits this greatly. I wouldn't think of going to a game without getting there at least 3-4 hours early with some heavy grillin and chillin. I am a huge football fan, but the social aspect of tailgating is HUGE to many. I don't think Atlanta will ever have a good tailgating scene downtown because you need a lot of those dreaded surface parking lots.

I also am skeptical about the stadium having any effect on redeveloping the poor communities surrounding the stadium. The Georgia Dome and Phillips Arena didn't have much effect on the area. Heck, how often does Phillips Arena draw 15,000 fans downtown and how many times will a new stadium draw that number? You only have 10 Falcons games and 3-4 college games a year. Throw in a few big concerts and a few big monster truck-like events and you might get 25-30 events a year. That certainly isn't going to be enough to have a huge impact. Heck, we are already having those events, so what will a new stadium bring in? I think it is very optimistic to think that a new stadium will bring in 3-5 additional events a year. If the current stadium hasn't spurred development and investment, why would a new stadium? It has been said before and I agree (not that there is anything we could do about it), but Turner Field would be a perfect location and setup (with the massive parking lots) for a Falcons stadium and the Georgia Dome site would be perfect for a baseball stadium (since a baseball season brings 30,000 fans to the location 81 days a year which is far greater than that of a football stadium).


We'll see where the fans are residing when the new stadium... and new stadium ticket prices come out. Shrinking capacity by about 6,500. They aren't getting rid of the high priced seats, so who is going to suffer? The guy up in the corner end zone who can barely pay the $400 for season tickets today is going to suffer. I don't think that the affluent northern suburban fan will be effected as much as some of the fans from less affluent areas. Is this a generalization and are there affluent areas south of town? Sure, but I think there is some truth to that generalization.

This was kind of a rambling post that doesn't really specifically address your post, but there is some connection.

[gerrythesnake]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

I like the stadium downtown, but there are obvious drawbacks to that location to a lot of fans. The tailgating sucks. Sure you can ride MARTA, but that isn't what football in the South is about. The entire gameday is an event and having limited parking (or deck parking) limits this greatly. I wouldn't think of going to a game without getting there at least 3-4 hours early with some heavy grillin and chillin. I am a huge football fan, but the social aspect of tailgating is HUGE to many. I don't think Atlanta will ever have a good tailgating scene downtown because you need a lot of those dreaded surface parking lots.

I also am skeptical about the stadium having any effect on redeveloping the poor communities surrounding the stadium. The Georgia Dome and Phillips Arena didn't have much effect on the area. Heck, how often does Phillips Arena draw 15,000 fans downtown and how many times will a new stadium draw that number? You only have 10 Falcons games and 3-4 college games a year. Throw in a few big concerts and a few big monster truck-like events and you might get 25-30 events a year. That certainly isn't going to be enough to have a huge impact. Heck, we are already having those events, so what will a new stadium bring in? I think it is very optimistic to think that a new stadium will bring in 3-5 additional events a year. If the current stadium hasn't spurred development and investment, why would a new stadium? It has been said before and I agree (not that there is anything we could do about it), but Turner Field would be a perfect location and setup (with the massive parking lots) for a Falcons stadium and the Georgia Dome site would be perfect for a baseball stadium (since a baseball season brings 30,000 fans to the location 81 days a year which is far greater than that of a football stadium).


We'll see where the fans are residing when the new stadium... and new stadium ticket prices come out. Shrinking capacity by about 6,500. They aren't getting rid of the high priced seats, so who is going to suffer? The guy up in the corner end zone who can barely pay the $400 for season tickets today is going to suffer. I don't think that the affluent northern suburban fan will be effected as much as some of the fans from less affluent areas. Is this a generalization and are there affluent areas south of town? Sure, but I think there is some truth to that generalization.

This was kind of a rambling post that doesn't really specifically address your post, but there is some connection.

I hope you arent serious. Tailgating is crazy downtown. The last time I went was for the 49ers game. It was crazy out there. Thousands of people bbqing, drinking, dancing and having a good time. Those lots between the federal buildings and CNN were off the hook

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by gerrythesnake

I hope you arent serious. Tailgating is crazy downtown. The last time I went was for the 49ers game. It was crazy out there. Thousands of people bbqing, drinking, dancing and having a good time. Those lots between the federal buildings and CNN were off the hook

LOL that dude must not go to many football games. The Saints/Falcons tailgate is known as one of the largest in the NFL. Along with the Chick Fil A kickoff game AND the Peach Bowl. I mean, most tailgating i've ever been to is done in parking lots around the stadium, what do you expect a park for picnics?

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by gerrythesnake

I hope you arent serious. Tailgating is crazy downtown. The last time I went was for the 49ers game. It was crazy out there. Thousands of people bbqing, drinking, dancing and having a good time. Those lots between the federal buildings and CNN were off the hook

C'mon son.

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There are relatively few surface lots down there compared to the average NFL venue. Also, moving the stadium eats up some of the parking and any of the promised redevelopment of the local area would eat up more surface parking. The amount of tailgating is already low for NFL standards because of the parking situation. Take away some more lots and what happens? It isn't rocket science. If you need it explained more, private message me and I'll be glad to help you out.