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View Poll Results: Are Fed/Potus Mandates needed for WA?
Yes, these Federal/Potus Vax Mandates are needed 55 29.57%
No, these Fed/Potus Vax Mandates are NOT needed 124 66.67%
We don't know yet 7 3.76%
Voters: 186. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-12-2021, 04:24 PM
 
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Bingo! Imagine if smallpox, measles, chicken pox, mumps, and now Covid is allowed to rage uncontrolled with out vaccination. We would be back living in the time of the plague where no one is safe. We are very fortunate to be living in these times vs 1918 or earlier. The black death of the 1600's killed an estimated 25 million and lingered on for centuries. It still exists in nature but modern antibiotics has had a huge effect. Just as vaccination against Covid has a huge effect.

In public you will be required to wear a mask and or be vaccinated. The vast majority of American's support this and will no longer tolerate being help hostage by the minority. The stakes are far too high now.
Smallpox = no animal reservoir
Measles = no animal reservoir
Chicken pox = no animal reservoir
Mumps = no animal reservoir

SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) known animal reservoirs:

Cats, dogs, bats, minks, gorillas, other non-human primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas (Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z

What is your plan to mask and vaccinate all wild and domesticated bats, cats, dogs, minks, gorillas, other primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas on Earth? Or maybe you can tell me Biden’s plan?

Better hurry, already at least 67% of deer (in Michigan) have had COVID-19. Probably similar levels for deer all over the USA…

SARS-CoV-2 will never go away, it is everywhere now. Unless you’re over 65-70, you’re not very likely to die from SARS-CoV-2. (Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=3105e3736159)

Might you have a rough week or two? Sure…but odds are heavily in your favor of not dying.

If masks and vaccines protect the people who wear masks and get vaccinated, then how are they being held hostage by those not wearing masks and/or getting vaccinated?
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Smallpox = no animal reservoir
Measles = no animal reservoir
Chicken pox = no animal reservoir
Mumps = no animal reservoir

SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) known animal reservoirs:

Cats, dogs, bats, minks, gorillas, other non-human primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas (Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z

What is your plan to mask and vaccinate all wild and domesticated bats, cats, dogs, minks, gorillas, other primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas on Earth? Or maybe you can tell me Biden’s plan?

Better hurry, already at least 67% of deer (in Michigan) have had COVID-19. Probably similar levels for deer all over the USA…

SARS-CoV-2 will never go away, it is everywhere now. Unless you’re over 65-70, you’re not very likely to die from SARS-CoV-2. (Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=3105e3736159)

Might you have a rough week or two? Sure…but odds are heavily in your favor of not dying.

If masks and vaccines protect the people who wear masks and get vaccinated, then how are they being held hostage by those not wearing masks and/or getting vaccinated?
Can't rep you again.
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:42 PM
 
Location: West coast
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No way zerp.
Are you saying that there are some inconsistencies with the “scientific” information we are being fed?
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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Originally Posted by zerp View Post
Smallpox = no animal reservoir
Measles = no animal reservoir
Chicken pox = no animal reservoir
Mumps = no animal reservoir

SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) known animal reservoirs:

Cats, dogs, bats, minks, gorillas, other non-human primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas (Source: [URL="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z"]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z[/URL]

What is your plan to mask and vaccinate all wild and domesticated bats, cats, dogs, minks, gorillas, other primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas on Earth? Or maybe you can tell me Biden’s plan?

Better hurry, already at least 67% of deer (in Michigan) have had COVID-19. Probably similar levels for deer all over the USA…

SARS-CoV-2 will never go away, it is everywhere now. Unless you’re over 65-70, you’re not very likely to die from SARS-CoV-2. (Source: [URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/10/06/what-is-your-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19/?sh=3105e3736159"]https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/10/06/what-is-your-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19/?sh=3105e3736159[/URL])

Might you have a rough week or two? Sure…but odds are heavily in your favor of not dying.

If masks and vaccines protect the people who wear masks and get vaccinated, then how are they being held hostage by those not wearing masks and/or getting vaccinated?
New mandates coming soon: They're coming for your dog and cat and ferret!
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Washington State. Not Seattle.
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I took college level Biology. I had to identify cellular components and their functions. But I couldn't tell you how the mRNA vaccines mechanically work. Only that they are implicated in making copies of DNA instruction. And maybe even that's wrong!

Even so.. I don't outright believe the vaccines are going to be our way out of this. Because of variants. Because pragmatically we can't and won't vaccinate every single human on the planet.
I totally agree. Tried to rep you again, but they won't let me.
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Washington State. Not Seattle.
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No way zerp.
Are you saying that there are some inconsistencies with the “scientific” information we are being fed?
Yeah. Like Inslee's "science" that support his vaccine mandates. Except for those particular labor unions that have gotten their people out of the mandates. Apparently they have enough power to "negotiate" with Inslee's science...
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Old 09-13-2021, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Originally Posted by zerp View Post
Smallpox = no animal reservoir
Measles = no animal reservoir
Chicken pox = no animal reservoir
Mumps = no animal reservoir

SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) known animal reservoirs:

Cats, dogs, bats, minks, gorillas, other non-human primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas (Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00531-z

What is your plan to mask and vaccinate all wild and domesticated bats, cats, dogs, minks, gorillas, other primates, ferrets, deer, lions, tigers, snow leopards and pumas on Earth? Or maybe you can tell me Biden’s plan?

Better hurry, already at least 67% of deer (in Michigan) have had COVID-19. Probably similar levels for deer all over the USA…

SARS-CoV-2 will never go away, it is everywhere now. Unless you’re over 65-70, you’re not very likely to die from SARS-CoV-2. (Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...h=3105e3736159)

Might you have a rough week or two? Sure…but odds are heavily in your favor of not dying.

If masks and vaccines protect the people who wear masks and get vaccinated, then how are they being held hostage by those not wearing masks and/or getting vaccinated?
Nobody knows the source animal of Ebola either. The biggest outbreak the world has ever seen lasted from 2014-2016. Can we vaccinate against Ebola? Yes we can. The FDA approved Ervebo on December 19, 2019. This is a game changer. Will we ever know the animal source of Ebola? Highly unlikely. But, vaccination is the key to preventing another two year outbreak. Ebola is far more insidious then Covid, but Covid is global, Ebola is not. Yet the medical society was concerned enough about Ebola to find a vaccine. Why do you think that is?

What you're talking is nonsense. Source animals of novel viruses are notoriously hard to find. What can we do about them when they surface and infect humans? Create a vaccine. Develop mitigation strategies, and clinical modalities to fight them.

This is not the end of animal to human transmission of a deadly virus or bacteria, or vector born illnesses from mosquitoes. These challenges are part of our ecosystem, and always will be.

It matters not whether there was an animal to human transmission of an insidious disease or human to human mutations of an insidious disease. What matters is how you eradicate it, and vaccinations are the key.

We have a gift with our vaccines, we have a gift with our advanced medical care and scientists with the best minds in the world working on Covid vaccines and other diseases on the horizon.

The fact that there are so many dumb people out there falling for lies and disinformation is disappointing. So what do you do with the idiot factor? Force a mandate. Want to work. Get vaccinated. Want to attend a social event? Fly? Get vaccinated. It's so simple yet so complex for the kool aid drinking low information crowd.

We have a mask mandate in place in public places whether we are vaccinated or not here. I find them comforting because RSV is circulating early out here. I've had it multiple times. Its not fun.

Out neighbors daughter is home with a 102 fever, and has tested negative for Covid. You know how kids are. I'm sure she caught whatever it is she has by not wearing her mask at an inopportune time or not wearing the right mask.

Covid is spreading like crazy here, and about 25% of infections are in kids. The data is showing that people in unvaccinated areas have the highest mortality and hospitalizations. It's in the CDC's website unless you've been gas lighted to the point of no return by evil politicians only worried about pole numbers pandering to a small base.

The good news? One million people a day are being vaccinated now. Some of the Covidiots have seen the light.

You can research numbers. We are all capable of that. We can also look at nations that have handled this pandemic far better then we have like Singapore with 71,687 cases and 58 deaths. The cases are up there +520 new cases.

The USA 41 million with 660,000 deaths. Our cases are up +36,053 and that includes a whole lot of kids.

My question to you is do you have kids and are you willing to roll the dice with their health concerning Covid? I'm not just talking about death. I'm talking about complications as well.

The science is clear. Areas with higher levels of vaccinations have a lower amount of cases. People who are vaccinated are safer to be around than people who are not for kids.

Those of you more concerned with fake Free dumb and political ideologies that are more important then getting this nightmare under control need to stay home. Quit your jobs. Continuing to spread this is not going to be tolerated by the vast majority of us who are doing the right thing.

Look at what the TSA is doing to the entitled rectums that refuse to wear masks on flights. The fines just doubled and repeat offender could pay $3000 dollars. Is it worth it?

You can blather on about animal infections all you want. I like bottom lines, and my bottom line is how do we get out of this nightmare? With an effective vaccine and masking. That's it. So simple.
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Old 09-13-2021, 11:50 AM
 
Location: SLC
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@animalcrazy - Brilliant response! Thank you!
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Old 09-13-2021, 11:57 AM
 
Location: SLC
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When the choice / freedom of others disrupts and destroys the lives of others.... The argument gets challenged.

Sounds like the USA unnecessarily lost several hundred lives last week due to Covid patients filling surgery and ICU beds. You note the 39yo gulf war vet that died from very easy to treat gallbladder issue. Rural hospital called better equipped metro hospitals for 3 days, but no room in the Inn.

That vet died a very painful death. (Due to the 'free choice' of anti-vaxxers)
Thank you, StealthRabbit! The “public health right” justifies the government action (mandating vaccines) that otherwise appear to impair individual rights. This is not nothing new. There are vaccine mandates on other diseases that don't seem to trouble the same crowd.
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Old 09-13-2021, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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Thank you, StealthRabbit! The “public health right” justifies the government action (mandating vaccines) that otherwise appear to impair individual rights. This is not nothing new. There are vaccine mandates on other diseases that don't seem to trouble the same crowd.
My issue here, with this vaccine, is that unlike the other diseases and respective vaccines for them, this is all very, very new. Of course the origin of the virus have been questioned, but as far as we know or have been told, none of this issue -or the response aka vaccines- existed 18 months ago. Those other vaccines for other diseases? Well, they all took years or decades of development and testing.

So how are you justified in faulting those of us that want more time and research with something so novel as a new technology going into the arms of millions?

Because individuals are dying in the meantime? Well, that's always the case with every problem. Better ways of dealing with communicable diseases, cancers, accidents, etc have taken long periods of R&D and all the while people died of diseases or had accidents. There is a 100% of dying when you are alive. Some people will fight that but it stands a good chance of always remaining true...

It goes back to how politicized this entire situation has been. People like me like stability and so we see both parties using the situation to go at each other and we're just waiting for information to stay consistent, which has failed to happen in the last 18 months. For example, why are we, as of today, mandated to wear masks OUTSIDE even if we ARE VACCINATED? The information from last summer said that being outside, even without any vaccine, was safe without masks.

Makes some of us concerned about what information will we hear in 6 months about these new vaccines...
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