Vaccine Mandates - your opinion (2014, home, living in)

[PS90]

Originally Posted by Returning2USA

I didn't see insult and ridicule.

I'm non-partisan.

Losing patience? I can see this. Potus and many others, including me.

The non-vaxxers are poorly-informed, don't speak their native language of English well and refer to being a "conservative" whatever that means....they usually don't know....they never cite science nor studies....watch TV....listen to radio.

These are ignorant people. I watch and listen to their interviews every day.

Hit them hard. Mandate, away.

Clearly, everyone's opinion is different on Biden's approach to vaccine mandates. My point was that the more a democratic politician pushes, especially if he's being antagonistic, the more the people who are against the vaccine BECAUSE a democratic politician is pushing it - are going to resist.

This resistance has happened before - Obama's "tough" gun control speeches led to the highest rate of gun purchasing during any president's term.

And BTW, call them "ignorant" IS insult and ridicule. Most anti-vax people I know are against government control, not against some fake news about the vaccine. For better or for worse.

[MechAndy]

We saw a protest in Sequim at the “Over the Fence intersection” about a month ago.
I’m a tad bit to the right of center and respect peaceful protest.
That said it kinda creeped me out.
I didn’t see any fatties but I did see the Jesus saves/Jesus hates people in the crowd.
I think that triggered my creepy feeling.
I also didn’t dig having to pass through a crowd of unvaccinated people.
I do believe that there is herd immunity but I’m cool with baby steps when it comes to me.

The wife and I were showing the area to a friend from California and at the start I was like look at all these pot store signs they are ugly.
Towards the end of the drive I’m like you know I hate these Jesus loves/Jesus hates signs even worse.
Oddly the Biden, the Trump signs don’t bug me at all.

About not belonging to anything,
I’m different than most so I don’t fit in with most but I have found that there are others like me.
Not all that many but I’m cool with that.

We never met so many people than when we were into kids sports.

I was googling if I could catch squid where I’m at and a really cool fishing club came up.
$25 for a membership $35 for family membership.
News letters, dinner parties, outdoor trips and community volunteering opertunities.
I’ll take me some of that.

Chances are overtime we will only make a couple of good friends here and I’m good with that.

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

We saw a protest in Sequim at the “Over the Fence intersection” about a month ago.
I’m a tad bit to the right of center and respect peaceful protest.
That said it kinda creeped me out.
I didn’t see any fatties but I did see the Jesus saves/Jesus hates people in the crowd.
I think that triggered my creepy feeling.
I also didn’t dig having to pass through a crowd of unvaccinated people.
I do believe that there is herd immunity but I’m cool with baby steps when it comes to me.

The wife and I were showing the area to a friend from California and at the start I was like look at all these pot store signs they are ugly.
Towards the end of the drive I’m like you know I hate these Jesus loves/Jesus hates signs even worse.
Oddly the Biden, the Trump signs don’t bug me at all.

About not belonging to anything,
I’m different than most so I don’t fit in with most but I have found that there are others like me.
Not all that many but I’m cool with that.

We never met so many people than when we were into kids sports.

I was googling if I could catch squid where I’m at and a really cool fishing club came up.
$25 for a membership $35 for family membership.
News letters, dinner parties, outdoor trips and community volunteering opertunities.
I’ll take me some of that.

Chances are overtime we will only make a couple of good friends here and I’m good with that.

The thing is... at first I was all like, "Yeah! Power to the people!". Like, I was GLAD to see people protesting the mandates. Where I live nobody does that... we only have BLM signs since last summer (still plenty in people's yards). Last year my HOA got into it deep by offering specially ordered DYI community specific BLM decoration kits (I'm not even kidding). I was quite disappointed that our HOA would lend itself to such politically oriented movement, but knowing who is at the helm of the organization I wasn't very much surprised. Left of center around here for sure, but doesn't bother me because I know lots of Republicans in this 'hood too.

But our Republicans, are frankly, more like our Democrats than their counterparts at the Sumner protest yesterday. At least in dress and behavior. Nobody around here wears Jesus shirts or holds up Jesus signs. We do have American flag waving, but usually only one. And never the size of a king size comforter.
And everyone around here tends to be fit. Or fitter. Maybe just a little belly (as is typical for the 40 and up crowd).

So there are socioeconomic factors at play.

I think most right of center folks here are also vaccinated, not because they want to be, but because they're pragmatic. They would support and look favorably upon mandate protests, but not be willing to engage in one themselves.

[MechAndy]

I’m a bumpkin that likes to live in really nice neighborhoods so I get it .

Back to the topic,
The United States has what a couple million people or something like that that had covid and I’m one of them.
Do they really need to take a gamble on a new vaccine?
This is a legit argument.

Then there are what I call weirdos who have put people at risk before the vaccines were peaked.
We know a couple of them that don’t social distance themselves from people, hug new people and nonsense like that.
One of which works with kids .

Any how I say open it all up regardless of any mandates.
Take baby steps, keep your guard up and let the chips fall where they may.

[Returning2USA]

Originally Posted by PS90

And BTW, call them "ignorant" IS insult and ridicule. Most anti-vax people I know are against government control, not against some fake news about the vaccine. For better or for worse.

I never intended to insult nor ridicule them.

I do understand your point.

But my comment....that they are 'ignorant' is very accurate (I don't think it's entirely a subjective perception).

An anti-vaxxer asked me a couple days ago what is RNA? Referring to the mRNA vaccine and I noted Viral Vector and Vero Cell.

This person....like so many....is very ignorant.....

Against government control? Yes, that is the foundation for many (and some philosophical views by some in certain parts of the country.

That is why....IMO....that they are ignorant.....they are missing the entire point.

This particular vaccine (not all of them) and all of the circumstances from the last 1 1/2 years until now and in the future about this pandemic ....should be entirely based on.....SCIENCE.

This is....ignorance....there is no other way to put it.

[Returning2USA]

Originally Posted by flyingsaucermom

I hate that this is so politically divisive.

I hate that I don't belong to anything.

I am very glad that I do not belong to anything.....meaning taking "one side or the other."

It's a lack of logic.

For so many people it's like choosing 1 team to root for out of two, and then blindly waving pom-poms on the sidelines wearing the colors and rooting one's team without even thinking.

Forget critical thought or having one's own opinion anymore.

[PS90]

Originally Posted by Returning2USA

I never intended to insult nor ridicule them.

I do understand your point.

But my comment....that they are 'ignorant' is very accurate (I don't think it's entirely a subjective perception).

An anti-vaxxer asked me a couple days ago what is RNA? Referring to the mRNA vaccine and I noted Viral Vector and Vero Cell.

This person....like so many....is very ignorant.....

Against government control? Yes, that is the foundation for many (and some philosophical views by some in certain parts of the country.

That is why....IMO....that they are ignorant.....they are missing the entire point.

This particular vaccine (not all of them) and all of the circumstances from the last 1 1/2 years until now and in the future about this pandemic ....should be entirely based on.....SCIENCE.

This is....ignorance....there is no other way to put it.

Ignorance as to the science of the vaccine is not really the point. I agree that most may be ignorant to the scientific mechanics of the vaccine, but I would bet that very few Americans - whether vaccinated or unvaccinated - understands how an mRNA vaccine actually works.

And still, IMO, ignorance may have been a factor early in the vaccine roll-out, but now with full Pfizer approval and such, the majority of people at this point who are adamant anti-vaxxers are that way due to political differences rather than ignorance to the effects of the vaccine.

And therefore, to those people, these mandates are worsening those opinions/differences.

[eqttrdr]

Isn't the definition of madness "Doing the same thing over, and over, expecting a different result."?


boosters?

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by PS90

Ignorance as to the science of the vaccine is not really the point. I agree that most may be ignorant to the scientific mechanics of the vaccine, but I would bet that very few Americans - whether vaccinated or unvaccinated - understands how an mRNA vaccine actually works.

And still, IMO, ignorance may have been a factor early in the vaccine roll-out, but now with full Pfizer approval and such, the majority of people at this point who are adamant anti-vaxxers are that way due to political differences rather than ignorance to the effects of the vaccine.

And therefore, to those people, these mandates are worsening those opinions/differences.

I took college level Biology. I had to identify cellular components and their functions. But I couldn't tell you how the mRNA vaccines mechanically work. Only that they are implicated in making copies of DNA instruction. And maybe even that's wrong!

Even so.. I don't outright believe the vaccines are going to be our way out of this. Because of variants. Because pragmatically we can't and won't vaccinate every single human on the planet.

[animalcrazy]

Originally Posted by Returning2USA

Interesting article. When was the first US Supreme Court ruling over Mandated Vaccines?

116 years ago in 1905.



https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...he-right-thing

Bingo! Imagine if smallpox, measles, chicken pox, mumps, and now Covid is allowed to rage uncontrolled with out vaccination. We would be back living in the time of the plague where no one is safe. We are very fortunate to be living in these times vs 1918 or earlier. The black death of the 1600's killed an estimated 25 million and lingered on for centuries. It still exists in nature but modern antibiotics has had a huge effect. Just as vaccination against Covid has a huge effect.

Look. Leaders lead in these times or they don't. One has cared more about lying, gas lighting and pandering to the lunatic fringe to get re-elected then he ever did about doing something to stop this from day one. Valuable time was wasted and this was allowed to spread unchecked for far too long. This never should have happened here.
Biden's vaccine mandates may be unpopular among the free-dumb crowd, but they are absolutely necessary. Instead of pouring gasoline on the anti-government free-dumb crowd that allowed this nightmare to spread like wild fire, Biden is trying to pour water on it to stop a train wreck out of control fire.

Your free-dumb is important. Go be free. Roll the dice with Covid. Be my guest, but, don't do it in our schools, or public places. Your free-dumb does not entitle you to endanger other. Go have Covid parties amongst your piers, or stay home.

In public you will be required to wear a mask and or be vaccinated. The vast majority of American's support this and will no longer tolerate being help hostage by the minority. The stakes are far too high now.