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Old 09-20-2009, 11:33 PM
 
Location: California
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Instead of turning all the animals about like pottage in a cauldron, resulting in the amazing coincidence that there were exactly two of each of something in excess of 100,000 species, one would imagine that the almighty creator of the universe could have found a more efficient way of doing it. But there is still no explanation of why there were no humans turning about in that pottage.

If it is "only allegorical", why don't the geniuses who perfectly and infallibly understand exactly what the entire Bible means just put the allegories in italics or something, so we will know which scriptural passages are "literal truth" and which are only allegorical.
And where are these geniuses who understand the Bible perfectly? The only ones I know who think they're geniuses with perfect understanding also deny facts like evolution and claim there's no such thing as allegory. And I wouldn't use the term "only allegorical." Sometimes allegory, myth, and parable can expose deeper truths than a rundown of straightforward statements about the world.

 
Old 09-21-2009, 05:03 AM
 
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You will find the account in Jasher Book of Jasher. But Noah went nowhere to get the animals. God sent them to him. Also, the land mass was one, with seas.

Here you are:


So if god sent the animals TO Noah then you have to ask yourself....how the heck did the animals get back to their homeland?!!! How did all those little Kiwi birds, that can't fly, return to New Zealand?! Especially if the flood is what split the land up. Hmmm....
 
Old 09-21-2009, 05:35 AM
 
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So if god sent the animals TO Noah then you have to ask yourself....how the heck did the animals get back to their homeland?!!! How did all those little Kiwi birds, that can't fly, return to New Zealand?! Especially if the flood is what split the land up. Hmmm....
To quote from Highlander -

It's a kind of magic
 
Old 09-21-2009, 05:58 AM
 
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The penguins from Antartica swam and walked all the way from their home, all the way to modern day Turkey. Also, the polar bears did the same thing.

Of course, there were only two of each of them left by the time they got to the Arch, I'm sure people would have been killing them all the way to the arch.

No seriously, the story didn't happen in the way it says in the bible. There are several stories around the world of a great flood, but none as grand as the Noah story. Most historians believe that the "Noahs arch" story was derived from a great flood in the valley where the black sea now stands today. At one point in time, this sea was not there, it was a fertile valley, and many people lived there. The Mediterranian broke through, and flooded the valley, making the modern day black sea.

Ancient man, not knowing the size of the world, probably felt this was a global flood. I'm sure some of them may have survived, and then the story gets taller down the line.
 
Old 09-21-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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Like a lot of the stories in the Bible, the story of the Noah's Arc, is allegorical.
You mean not true, made up, a lie?
 
Old 09-21-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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You mean not true, made up, a lie?
Nope.
 
Old 09-21-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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So if god sent the animals TO Noah then you have to ask yourself....how the heck did the animals get back to their homeland?!!! How did all those little Kiwi birds, that can't fly, return to New Zealand?! Especially if the flood is what split the land up. Hmmm....
The flood did not divide the continent. And God sent the animals and the people where He wanted them to go, after the disembarking; but man stopped a while in Shinar, before God forced them to obey by the destruction of the tower, division of the tongue, and subsequent division of the land mass.

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Jasher 6:38-And at the revolution of the year, when a full year was completed to Noah's dwelling in the ark, the waters were dried from off the earth, and Noah put off the covering of the ark.
At that time, on the twenty-seventh day of the second month, the earth was dry, but Noah and his sons, and those that were with him, did not go out from the ark until the Lord told them.
And the day came that the Lord told them to go out, and they all went out from the ark.
And they went and returned every one to his way and to his place, and Noah and his sons dwelt in the land that God had told them, and they served the Lord all their days, and the Lord blessed Noah and his sons on their going out from the ark.
And he said to them, Be fruitful and fill all the earth; become strong and increase abundantly in the earth and multiply therein.
The continent was divided after the flood, specifically after the Tower of Babel rebellion, which was an attempt of rebel men and rebel angels and demons, all inspired by the satans, to take over God's Mount Eden, of the heavenly realm of this earth; and to live forever, in rebellion, controlling the realm of greater earth, which is the heavenly realm of the created earth.
The continent was divided during the lifetime of Peleg, son of Eber, after the fall of the Tower of Babel.

At Babel, God divided the mother tongue into seventy, because the tribes of Noah's sons at that time numbered 70, and He shortened the lives of the race of Adam and scattered them over the earth. Just as the 70 tongues continued dividing as men scattered, eventually numbering over 5,000 tongues, even so the lives of men continued shortening from that time of Peleg
The continent continued dividing from that time of the fall, separating the race by tongues and division of the land mass. As the land mass continued dividing and the tribes scattered more and more, the tongues continued to grow branches of further divisions [like trees branching and leafing out], and the lives of the race of Adam's tribes also shortened more and more, until we, of Adam's race, have these few years alloted to us in these times, for the express purpose of seeking Him who seeks us while we have our being intact long enough to, hopefully, get wisdom and serve God.

If we are wise, then we will seek Him who seeks us by the means of His Light, which Light is Christ and is given to light every man that comes into the world.
If we seek, we find. Finding, we will go to Him when He recalls our breath [which breath we draw on loan from Him from the time we come into this world, and which breath is stamped with the Manufacturer's Brand Name ="YH-WH"].
Not seeking Him, we get no more Light than that which He allotted us to seek Him with when we came into the world, and that Light even, will be taken away; and then when He takes His breath back, we will sink into Sheol below earth to await the judgment of our own individual, personal lives that we lived while in the body, drawing in and expelling out, His loaned breath.

He has given us the freewill choice to choose His Life and Light while we have our being intact so that we can have eternal Life in His presence, where no sin will ever overtake us again.

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Jasher chapter 7: 19,20 These are the generations of Shem; Shem begat Arpachshad and Arpachshad begat Shelach, and Shelach begat Eber and to Eber were born two children, the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the sons of men were divided, and in the latter days, the earth was divided. And the name of the second was Yoktan, meaning that in his day the lives of the sons of men were diminished and lessened.

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Gen 11:6-8
And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered [broke them in pieces] them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
 
Old 09-21-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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Nope.
Well, if allegory is not the literal, demonstrable truth it must in the strictest sense not be true. Hence, a lie.

I know, many will say it is merely a method used to teach important lessons. But teaching from a lie is not something that needs to be encouraged or even accepted.
 
Old 09-21-2009, 09:06 AM
 
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Ancient man, not knowing the size of the world, probably felt this was a global flood. I'm sure some of them may have survived, and then the story gets taller down the line.
There are [formerly great] cities remaining buried underwater to this day, all over the globe, which, mostly, were buried at the time of the flood. Many were cities of the giants, built on massive scales.

Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Underwater Cities; Noah's Flood Proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6SW...eature=related
ruins of giant underwater city.

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Old 09-21-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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Many were cities of the giants, built on massive scales
You're always talking about how advanced the ancients were supposed to have been and that they were even more advanced than we are today. So why is it that all anyone seems to find on the ocean floor are just stones that they claim have been carved by men? Shouldn't we have located some skyscrapers, aircraft and airports, or anything that an advanced civilization might have had instead of just a rock?
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