There are many anointed ones in the Hebrew bible and they are not speaking of Jesus

[ivria66]

One Jewish "legend" is that G-d asked a few other people first if they wanted to be "chosen", Jews weren't G-d's first choice. Funny, huh?

I think you are are right to a certain degree. I think those belief systems idea of a "messiah" were closer to the Christian idea of a divine god man. I think that is where the Christians got it from. The Jewish Messiah is a king who will rule over Israel and bring in the messianic age. He is only a man, not a divine god man that performs miracles. Although bringing about world peace could be a miracle.

[ivria66]

Fullback, indeed the church did mess with Flavius Josephus Antiquities. They interpolated two paragraphs about Jesus. I think it was Origen that even figured that out.

[wilsoncole]

Originally Posted by ivria66

I haven't gone silent I have been working.

Yes, I know that first century Christianity was Jewish, which simply means that Jews thought Jesus was the Messiah, not some god man to be worshipped. Soon, the Jews of the time realized Jesus did not fulfill the Meissianic prophecies so they stopped believing he was the Messiah. Since you all know nothing about Jewish history, this sort of thing has happened a few times. Some Jewish guy comes along that a few Jews believe is the Messiah, they follow him around for a while waiting for him to fulfill the Messianic prophecies and then soon they stop following him because he doesn't appear to be the Messiah.

Some examples;

Simon bar Kokhba circa 135 CE

Theudas, died aroung 46 CE

Moses of Crete 440-470 CE

Feel free to look them up and look up many of the other Jews that claimed to be the Messiah. Jesus wasn't the first or last.


The idea of a Messiah is Jewish, not some Christianized guy, not a god man, not a diety. Just a king that will rule over Israel and the Jews during the Messianic age. Clearly Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Therefore the church made up a second coming and decided to mistranslate many OT verses to give them a Christological context in order to convince people that he was the one. They also turned him into a god man, it seemed easier at the time to convert people if they thought they were worshipping a god man, it was the hip thing at the time, they did away with the law, because no pagan wanted to be cut and give up certain foods, etc. No Jew would ever tell his people to drink wine as a symbol of his blood and eat bread as a symbol of his flesh, especially no rabbi or Messiah, that was a purely pagan practice, completely foreign to Judaism and Jews.

You are mixing up Christians who happened to be Jewish with the national Jews who were political and materialistic in their entire outlook.

Can you prove everything you wrote here?
1. No other nation in history had Messianic hopes.
2. Why the need for a Messiah?
3. Messiah is not a political liberator.
4. Many prophecies pointed to a special person, time, place and lineage.
5. None of the professed Messiahs met any of those requirements except Jesus of Nazareth.
6. Jesus was not a part of the Scribal and Pharasaical rabbinical schools.
7. Jesus actually condemned most of their ritualistic and traditional practices.
8. Which of the Messianic prophecies did Jesus not fulfill?
You'd better come straight.

Jesus was the fulfillment of the symbolic Passover Lamb which the Jews ate since the Exodus. Eating his flesh and drinking his blood was not literal, but symbolized the acceptance of the supreme sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
If you are going to speak, it is best to speak from a position of knowledge that you can prove.


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