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I think sometimes we move too fast, and then there's a bit of a backlash. But over time we continue moving forward.
What makes this particular time in history unique is that we have a looming population collapse, the likes of which humanity has not experienced since the Black Death ravaged Europe in the 1300s. Unlike the plague, this looming collapse is self-inflicted via a collective unwillingness to breed.
The world will look VERY different 50-100 years from now.
A significant element of the "Spirit of the 60s" was the yearning for novelty.
All novelties eventually become dated. What seemed "new" and "fresh" in the 60s/70s now seems stale and ridiculous.
Case in point: that Donna Summer video
You seem to be conflating fads (say, Pet Rocks) with trends (say, disco music) and cultural forces (say, the civil rights movement). Every generation has them. When it comes to long-term impacts and legacies and influences on future generations, YMMV.
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I think many in the younger generations have realized this, which is why there has been a push to return to tradition. Ever-present novelty tends to create a yearning for what is timeless.
What’s “tradition” in this context? ‘50s rockabilly? ‘40s pop standards? ‘30s show tunes? 12th century Gregorian chants? I would be genuinely curious to hear what music you listen to (assuming, perhaps naively, that you’ll provide a serious answer).
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What makes this particular time in history unique is that we have a looming population collapse, the likes of which humanity has not experienced since the Black Death ravaged Europe in the 1300s. Unlike the plague, this looming collapse is self-inflicted via a collective unwillingness to breed.
The world will look VERY different 50-100 years from now.
Family planning is great. You’re welcome to have as many children as (or even more than!) Rick Santorum. Two for me is plenty, and I would have been fine with just one from a financial responsibility standpoint.
My patrilineal great-grandfather was the second of ten, eight of whom survived to adulthood. It’s no accident he and his siblings who married had far smaller families, even before the advent of the pill and other advanced methods of birth control.
What makes this particular time in history unique is that we have a looming population collapse, the likes of which humanity has not experienced since the Black Death ravaged Europe in the 1300s. Unlike the plague, this looming collapse is self-inflicted via a collective unwillingness to breed.
The world will look VERY different 50-100 years from now.
This is a good time for you to wake up about your perspective. What do you keep talking about? The Inquisition, the Black Death, the plague.
A significant element of the "Spirit of the 60s" was the yearning for novelty.
All novelties eventually become dated. What seemed "new" and "fresh" in the 60s/70s now seems stale and ridiculous.
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You seem to be conflating fads (say, Pet Rocks) with trends (say, disco music) and cultural forces (say, the civil rights movement).
No. All of those things you listed are examples of the pursuit of novelty in varying facets of life -- which greatly accelerated in the 1960s to unprecedented levels.
I think many in the younger generations have realized this, which is why there has been a push to return to tradition. Ever-present novelty tends to create a yearning for what is timeless.
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What’s “tradition” in this context? ‘50s rockabilly? ‘40s pop standards? ‘30s show tunes? 12th century Gregorian chants? I would be genuinely curious to hear what music you listen to (assuming, perhaps naively, that you’ll provide a serious answer).
The context in which I was speaking is that of this thread and the article that inspired it -- tradition in the context of the Catholic Church.
No. All of those things you listed are examples of the pursuit of novelty in varying facets of life -- which greatly accelerated in the 1960s to unprecedented levels.
No, it is not true that people mostly are just "effete snobs" (to channel Spiro Agnew) who are bored and seeking novelty. That's a facile way to dismiss all of human endeavor, warts and all (while assuming it's all warts), but it's far from the truth.
The hippies, to pick one example, really did want peace and love. They were naive in how they advocated for that, and ironically, most of them are now part of the establishment, just like you.
A great many of their children and grandchildren are too underpaid and overworked to be part of the establishment, though, so there's that.
As far as religion goes, yes there's a trend toward more traditional themes, but is that because it actually delivers for folks, or because they have no real hope or future in this society and are turning to various kinds of authoritarians for "answers"? Also, what role do cycles of conservatism and liberalism in religion and other realms play? Those tend to switch places from one generation to the next.
What makes this particular time in history unique is that we have a looming population collapse, the likes of which humanity has not experienced since the Black Death ravaged Europe in the 1300s. Unlike the plague, this looming collapse is self-inflicted via a collective unwillingness to breed.
The world will look VERY different 50-100 years from now.
After the Black Death, things were great for those who survived. There was less competition for resources, and the quality of life actually improved. It was the only time in medieval history that life actually improved for the average person.
Have you seen the price of housing and food recently? Population decline is a good thing.
After the Black Death, things were great for those who survived. There was less competition for resources, and the quality of life actually improved. It was the only time in medieval history that life actually improved for the average person.
Have you seen the price of housing and food recently? Population decline is a good thing.
While I would posit that population decline is never a good thing, it must be qualified that the 14th century world was not one dependent upon complex global systems in order to keep everyone fed. Most people just grew and raised their own food.
Population decline in a complex economic system has much more serious implications than population decline in a simple economy.
Regardless, the population decline of the 14th century was circumstantial and certainly not intentional. The looming population decline that is threatening is completely self-inflicted. Modernity has driven us to a state of despair. We have collectively lost the will to survive.
While I would posit that population decline is never a good thing, it must be qualified that the 14th century world was not one dependent upon complex global systems in order to keep everyone fed. Most people just grew and raised their own food.
Population decline in a complex economic system has much more serious implications than population decline in a simple economy.
Regardless, the population decline of the 14th century was circumstantial and certainly not intentional. The looming population decline that is threatening is completely self-inflicted. Modernity has driven us to a state of despair. We have collectively lost the will to survive.
We could try Francoism. Maybe that will lift peoples’ spirits.
We might just get it…before Thanksgiving.
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