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Old Yesterday, 03:00 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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I believe that the Founders saw the USA as a firmly theistic nation, but quite vague about the details and implications of that.
And yet, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison specifically said it wasn't.
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Old Yesterday, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What I bolded really has no meaning.
Thanks for acknowledging my point.
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Thanks for acknowledging my point.
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Old Yesterday, 05:13 PM
 
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The original Constitution of the USA ratification of nines states says ``Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the YEAR OF OUR LORD One thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the Twelfth in witness whereof We have here unto subscribed our names ``..... See the founders of American Constitution sign it in the Year Of The Lord and their names in honor and nation under The Lord God 1787 years after the birth of Jesus Christ ...... Just like the Union Jack of Great Britain uses their flag with three parts of Saint Andrew, Saint George, and Saint Patrick all saints of Jesus Christ
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 PM
 
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The original Constitution of the USA ratification of nines states says ``Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the YEAR OF OUR LORD One thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the Twelfth in witness whereof We have here unto subscribed our names ``..... See the founders of American Constitution sign it in the Year Of The Lord and their names in honor and nation under The Lord God 1787 years after the birth of Jesus Christ ...... Just like the Union Jack of Great Britain uses their flag with three parts of Saint Andrew, Saint George, and Saint Patrick all saints of Jesus Christ
Uh, no. That's just an old fashioned way of saying 1787 CE. It has no more relevance to religion than someone saying OMG.
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Old Yesterday, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Uh, no. That's just an old fashioned way of saying 1787 CE. It has no more relevance to religion than someone saying OMG.
Well, when one is grasping for religious significance...
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 PM
 
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The elite founders believed in Deism because they had a vague understanding of the goodness of the people they represented. Those people being Christians.
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Old Today, 05:32 AM
 
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The elite founders believed in Deism because they had a vague understanding of the goodness of the people they represented. Those people being Christians.
Some of the founders probably claimed deism because they would have been ostracized if they had admitted that they weren't believers at all. It's difficult to figure out what some believed.

Not all of the people were Christians. There were Jews and Muslims in the colonies. I read once that religion played little to no part in the lives of those people who claimed a plot of land, built a cabin, and tried to scratch out a living. They had work to do, and couldn't take a day off to travel to a church.
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Old Today, 06:22 AM
 
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Some of the founders probably claimed deism because they would have been ostracized if they had admitted that they weren't believers at all. It's difficult to figure out what some believed.

Not all of the people were Christians. There were Jews and Muslims in the colonies. I read once that religion played little to no part in the lives of those people who claimed a plot of land, built a cabin, and tried to scratch out a living. They had work to do, and couldn't take a day off to travel to a church.
They could pray in their own house.
In the New England Town that I live in, there are 5 churches within walking distance in the vicinity of Main Street and several more around town. I was informed by a town historian that in the beginning, like 1646 when the town was formed, the first question a newcomer was asked was what church he belonged to. Not if he was a Christian or not, what Church. Being a Christian was a given. Jews were not sold houses to, nor Black people of course although they would have been Christians likely.
Things have changed. There is a Hindu temple and Jewish temples now, an Islam center. Our Senior Center greets people with Namaste and in other languages. That is because we are a secular democracy, even if mainly a nation of Christians. America leans religious.
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Old Today, 07:28 AM
 
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I have read accounts and letters of founding fathers who attended worship services regularly, and who were some very devout men, but they did not want to present an appearance of being overly loyal to any specific denomination. Brother George Washington's writings on this topic are very enlightening
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