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No newborn child is "pricked by Satan." We are all born innocent and free from sin of any kind.
Yeah I don’t believe in the Original Sin.
That’s one of the biggest guilt driven myths within Christianity.
Say that to all the babies that have been killed in all the various genocides.
We are all born innocent and free from sin of any kind.
I agree 100% and my thread did not say any thing about sin
and the correct interpretation for it is that Satan is enemy for us from the time we are born
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
No newborn child is "pricked by Satan."
the final Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it.
A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan,
except Mary and her child."
Then Abu Huraira recited:
"And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)
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Originally Posted by CCCyou
Thanks Truth-Teller for sharing, and just wanted you to know that not every Christian protests what is contained in what you have posted ^ here!
Indeed this is one of the biggest common ground between Islam and Christianity.
The miraculous birth of Jesus - and his miracle to raise the dead and breathe life into the clay birds.
When a Christian accepts Islam, he does not leave Jesus behind.
There is absolutely no common ground between Christianity and Islam. I was raised as a Roman Catholic which is the FIRST Christian denomination (that’s for the benefit of some Protestants who think they’re the only christians. I no longer have a religion).
Christianity is about vicarious atonement, and fear of hell.
Islam is about submission to a book (Quran) that was written by someone who collected alleged remembrances from people who may or may not have known Muhammad, their illiterate prophet.
Islam is about DEATH. You either submit to those who control the Muslim narrative or you DIE. Islam plagiarized, corrupted and distorted the Torah and the New Testament. I guess they just wanted to sound “legitimate” (in more ways than one).
The Arabs, by their own admission, descend from Abraham and his concubine Hagar. They had a son called Ishmael. But Ishmael’s parents WERE NEVER MARRIED. So, you know what that fact makes Ishmael. Arabs HATE that.
The one who inherited from Abraham was Issac, his legitimate heir. I believe that’s why Arabswant to erase Jews from the face of the earth: so they can re-write their lineage.
But, you won’t hear that on TV. The fight isn’t so much about land. Some will say that it’s about religion. That is incomplete.
In Islam, if an illegitimate child gets to live (if they haven’t killed the mother for adultery) said child does not inherit from his father.
I see we have a fair amount of wannabe mods here grandly suggesting what should be done with this thread. A report was also made by someone who then turned around and responded to the post they reported, which never makes any sense. Also, do not entertain the wrongful idea that the volunteer mods do nothing all day but sit and read every single post in every single thread on this forum and are therefore automatically aware of everything that has been posted.
And a reminder, if you have something specific to say about moderation, do it via a DM, not in a public post. All of you on this thread have been here long enough to know that.
It's true that the original post is purely about Islam; however, it was responded to, and comparison with another religion was brought into the mix, so it is fine to leave it here in R&S general. That's where threads discussion comparisons and commonalities between Abrahamic religions belong.
This is also a good time to remind posters that merely posting quotes from your holy book of choice does nothing to foment discussion if there is not commentary or opinion included with such quotes. Please also try to keep it respectful and adultlike. "All <insert members of X Religion> do/are <insert general insult or sweeping characteristic>" is neither.
If you mean being born into a fallen world, then yes. But if you mean being held accountable for Adam's transgression, then no. I don't believe in the doctrine of Original Sin.
There is absolutely no common ground between Christianity and Islam. I was raised as a Roman Catholic which is the FIRST Christian denomination (that’s for the benefit of some Protestants who think they’re the only christians. I no longer have a religion).
Christianity is about vicarious atonement, and fear of hell.
Islam is about submission to a book (Quran) that was written by someone who collected alleged remembrances from people who may or may not have known Muhammad, their illiterate prophet
Islam is about DEATH. You either submit to those who control the Muslim narrative or you DIE. Islam plagiarized, corrupted and distorted the Torah and the New Testament. I guess they just wanted to sound “legitimate” (in more ways than one).
The Arabs, by their own admission, descend from Abraham and his concubine Hagar. They had a son called Ishmael. But Ishmael’s parents WERE NEVER MARRIED. So, you know what that fact makes Ishmael. Arabs HATE that.
The one who inherited from Abraham was Issac, his legitimate heir. I believe that’s why Arabswant to erase Jews from the face of the earth: so they can re-write their lineage.
But, you won’t hear that on TV. The fight isn’t so much about land. Some will say that it’s about religion. That is incomplete.
In Islam, if an illegitimate child gets to live (if they haven’t killed the mother for adultery) said child does not inherit from his father.
“Illiterate prophet”. BANG !
Now, forget all and show it to me how this “illiterate prophet” talked about development of human embryo in a female womb? Did he have an ultra sound machine?
If you don’t know, then please provide the reference from Bible and Torah where he copied it from?
More importantly, (oh my god, it’s funny),
How an “illiterate” person who didn’t go to a school or had teachers and who did not know how to read or write, was able to produce a book that is IMPOSSIBLE to be changed?
It’s an open challenge to all humanity to combine all their intellect and combine all their academic knowledge to produce a book like this.
They can’t, they never had and they never will. Many have tried in the past but all ended up in eating dust.
A book that is THE MOST READ book in the world.
You being a “literate person” I suppose? Can you write a book that gets read all over the world for centuries? Please do, and we will take a look.
And while you are at it, please provide a few examples of females getting killed for adultery and the child was let to live. And we will see how it represents the ratio of 1.2 billion people. That will be interesting.
Now, forget all and show it to me how this “illiterate prophet” talked about development of human embryo in a female womb? Did he have an ultra sound machine?
If you don’t know, then please provide the reference from Bible and Torah where he copied it from?
More importantly, (oh my god, it’s funny),
How an “illiterate” person who didn’t go to a school or had teachers and who did not know how to read or write, was able to produce a book that is IMPOSSIBLE to be changed?
It’s an open challenge to all humanity to combine all their intellect and combine all their academic knowledge to produce a book like this.
They can’t, they never had and they never will. Many have tried in the past but all ended up in eating dust.
A book that is THE MOST READ book in the world.
You being a “literate person” I suppose? Can you write a book that gets read all over the world for centuries? Please do, and we will take a look.
And while you are at it, please provide a few examples of females getting killed for adultery and the child was let to live. And we will see how it represents the ratio of 1.2 billion people. That will be interesting.
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But yes, if a woman wants to open her legs to every Tom, Dick and Harry, and gets babies out of wedlock thus shredding her dignity and her pride to pieces in the name of freedom and social progression? She is free to do so. Islamic jurisprudence does not approve this and hence islamic doctrine is not for her. It’s very simple.
If you mean being born into a fallen world, then yes. But if you mean being held accountable for Adam's transgression, then no. I don't believe in the doctrine of Original Sin.
That (^ bolded) is the way I've always seen Original Sin defined.
Scripture makes clear that we are not 'held accountable' for Adam's transgression.
First - speaking the truth.
Second (appreciatively and respectfully) for writing not one but TWO short posts. That’s rare. So thanks again.
I wrote my long post on a different thread.
And I'll tell you here what I said at the beginning of my long post.
You know what, Cardinal ... I don't know how to interpret your post, be it genuine or sarcastic.
Either way, though, allow me to explain something. And this isn't directed at you, personally, Cardinal. It's just a general statement. Just so you know.
Reading is not difficult.
The only thing you exercise by reading is your mind. Therefore, bellyaching over long posts is the hallmark of the intellectual couch potato.
Perhaps Twitter is more your speed. I think the truncation limit is, what, 244 characters?
I wrote a long post in a different thread. And what I said there was this: If you just can't handle long posts and reading exhausts your mental capacites after a couple of sentences, then just be an adult and silently scroll past. Do not presume to chastise me for the length of my posts or try to put a limit on how deep my thoughts and opinions are allowed to be.
Do not act like a child in the backseat screaming "Are we there yet?" by whining and moaning because I didn't cater the length of my posts specifically for your reading tolerance.
I'm not here for you -- or any other individual. Discussion forums are designed for deeper, more extensive conversations. There are loads of chat rooms where one can communicate in short choppy sentences at a 5th grade reading level.
This is how I feel. I stand by it. This encompasses all members of this forum. Once more, if you don't want to read a long post and give your mind a workout (because no one seems able to refute any of my arguments) then don't read it. Scroll past. And let the heavy hitters read it instead. Communication via the internet is like ...90% text. And yet the aversion to reading is at an all-time high. Which makes NO sense whatsoever.
People should remember that people have risked death for the privilege of reading. Some girls in the middle-east STILL risk death if they are educated. And yet people treat reading as if it is this arduous, exhausting chore. I can't help but wonder why. If you don't want to put in the whole whopping 2 or 3 minutes it might take to read one of my posts ... fine. I realize just how valuable your 2 or 3 minutes might be -- wouldn't want you to miss something exciting in those couple of minutes. But for F's sake STOP commenting on my post length. Grow up, huh?
P.S. It takes many more orders of magnitude of work to write posts than it does to read them. Show some friggin' respect.
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Bolded doesn't make sense.
