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Probably not for a Catholic, no. I don't anticipate your Church changing its position anytime soon.
Don't be so sure. Francis seems to believe quite a bit differently than previous popes on some issues. And it's Francis that is stacking the Cardinal College with like-minded men who will select his successor.
It changes in the Bible itself. Polygamy was an accepted form of "marriage" in the OT and there are actually a few "rules" mentioned concerning it's practice. If it wasn't acceptable then there would not have been "rules".
Polygamy, though unacceptable in the New Covenant, is nonetheless not opposed to nature in the way that other concepts of "marriage" are.
In other words; in moving from polygamy to monogamy, nothing has changed with regard to the fundamental nature and purpose of marriage.
Probably not for a Catholic, no. I don't anticipate your Church changing its position anytime soon.
What does it say about a religious body that can "change its position" on something as fundamental and foundational to society as marriage? Who is working for who here?
There are numerous descriptions of marriage arrangements in the Bible, and (I suppose) in most other religious texts. I think churches should do what best supports their various memberships. If the Catholic Church wants to keep to it's old ways, so be it. The Episcopalians, ELCA Lutherans, and Presbyterians (USA) have seen fit to support same sex couples in their congregations by conducting weddings. That seems to be good for their members.
Now, if you want to go back to a man marrying a wife and a concubine, or a widow being required to marry her brother-in-law (regardless of his current marriage status), then you would certainly be in accord with the Bible, but I think each of us should be free to decide what works for our own relationships.
I do not think a rape victim should be required to marry her attacker, even if that is Biblical.
What does it say about a religious body that can "change its position" on something as fundamental and foundational to society as marriage? Who is working for who here?
I don't get your last sentence.
As to the other, which I assume refers to churches who do bless same-sex marriages, what they changed their position on was dropping the refusal to fully include certain members of society in the life of the church.
Christianity has corrected its own flaws in the past and hopefully will continue to do so as time goes on. After all, it's run by flawed human beings.
As to the other, which I assume refers to churches who do bless same-sex marriages, what they changed their position on was dropping the refusal to fully include certain members of society in the life of the church.
Christianity has corrected its own flaws in the past and hopefully will continue to do so as time goes on. After all, it's run by flawed human beings.
What I meant is this: Ought the world be conformed to Truth, or ought "truth" conform itself to the world?
What is Truth? Truth is Jesus Christ. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
What I meant is this: Ought the world be conformed to Truth, or ought "truth" conform itself to the world?
What is Truth? Truth is Jesus Christ. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
That just spirals down into one of those tiresome circular arguments about what Truth is that never goes anywhere because everybody has a different opinion of truth and thinks Jesus has the exact same views as THEY do. Not playing.
What I meant is this: Ought the world be conformed to Truth, or ought "truth" conform itself to the world?
What is Truth? Truth is Jesus Christ. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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That just spirals down into one of those tiresome circular arguments about what Truth is that never goes anywhere because everybody has a different opinion of truth and thinks Jesus has the exact same views as THEY do. Not playing.
No, that wasn't my intent.
Everybody may have a different opinion of truth and think that Jesus has the same exact views as they do; but the fact of the matter is that Jesus is a real person and He is Truth. You either assent to that or you don't.
Not if they care about what Scripture actually says. But then, it seems less and less churches in America really care about being faithful to God's Word.
I guess what I'm curious about is, why does it matter what a church thinks about one's relationship? Remember when it was supposedly all about "We just want to be equal?" Now it's about forcing others to endorse it.
Well, if you get to have your marriage recognized, gay people not having theirs recognized is not "We just want to be equal?"
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