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Is “God” ultimately a subjective experience, or an objective reality?
He's certainly not an objective reality. He's not even a reality.
So he must be a subjective experience--appearing only in the minds and hearts and imaginations of those who believe in him.
This is absolutely correct. He is in the hearts of those who seek him. The knowledge of Divinity creates a distinct space in the mind, jus as knowledge of mathematics, or Shakesper’s sonnets make a distinct space in the mind, and you know that you know it. Real or unreal, objective or subjective are wrong connotations of knowledge. You are ignorant until you know it, once you know it you are no longer ignorant. That is the reality.
Claims that people "experienced" a god-thing are 100% subjective.
Consider the alternative, that they are objective.
You are forced to accept one of these two conditions:
1) there is more than one god; or
2) there is only one god but that god deviously intends people to see it different in order to foment conflict.
It is experience only if you experience the direction to your house. It is not. It is knowledge. Are there more than one way to get to your house? That is also knowledge.
The experience of meditation is real, that knowledge is what is experienced. Can you divide 144 by 12 in your mind? Assuming you can, is that objectivecor subjective? It is both and it is neither.
This is absolutely correct. He is in the hearts of those who seek him. The knowledge of Divinity creates a distinct space in the mind, jus as knowledge of mathematics, or Shakesper’s sonnets make a distinct space in the mind, and you know that you know it. Real or unreal, objective or subjective are wrong connotations of knowledge. You are ignorant until you know it, once you know it you are no longer ignorant. That is the reality.
It isn't a question of ignorance, except to a rude person. It's a question of acceptance -- or not -- of a certain belief.
Your contempt of logic is shocking!
How could it be a false dichotomy???
It is either one god or many gods.
What is the third choice???
A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear.
When examined from one perspective at one time it was accepted there is electricity and magnetism, until James Clerk Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism (with a nod to Faraday!). Then there's electroweak theory which unifies electromagnetism and the nuclear weak force.
Are there three, two or one force(s)?
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Eight people can be waiting at the bus stop one morming with a light drizzle going on. One can look up in the sky and say "Hey! Look! A the rainbow!"..The other seven will look and see it too.
But a rainbow is not a tangilbe object. It is an optical illusion....Each of the eight guys at the bus stop all see their own rainbow. That doesn't make the rainbow any less real.
It is a concept, not an object. Cf- nouns like love, pride, disgust, etc.
But, if I'm gonna sit at the feet of the one telling me about their exp...it will be the one that can hardly talk because of the awe and being drowned in almost unbearable Love.
Before he took his vows and became Swami Vivekananda, Narendranath sought out someone - anyone - who claimed to have seen God. That led him to Sri Ramakrishna and the rest is history.
It is said Sri Ramakrishna had to struggle greatly to maintain normal consciousness (read local) and not slip into Samadhi/Ecstasy.
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