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Old 05-09-2023, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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God is not *an* objective reality.

God is objective reality itself.

It is God that defines reality, and reality only exists because of God.
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That’s pantheism. Which is fine, but ultimately kind of meaningless. It’s just semantics. If “god” is just another word for “the universe,” why does “god” even matter?

I just had a chicken sandwich for lunch. A chicken sandwich is part of the universe. That means I just ate a small piece of “god” for lunch. The word “god” loses all meaning.
No, it's not pantheism. The universe was created by God and is not God.
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Adirondack Mountains, Upstate NY
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No, it's not pantheism. The universe was created by God and is not God.
As I see it the problem then is God is not omnipresent. In other words there's God and there's not God.
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:49 PM
 
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divinity is more than "just the universe."
divinity causes universe(s) to come into being.
divinity is the source of universe(s).



universe is a product of divinity.
universe is dependent upon divinity,
divinity however is not dependent on the universe.
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:50 PM
 
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As I see it the problem then is God is not omnipresent. In other words there's God and there's not God.
Just because something is not God, does not mean that God is not present in any given place.

What omnipresence means is that there cannot be a place in which we can say God isn't.
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Old 05-09-2023, 02:54 PM
 
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i agree. yes.

Divinity is in the chicken sandwich, but chicken sandwich is not Divinity. Important distinction.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:00 PM
 
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yes.
back of everything physical (universes) is the non-physical (divinity) which caused it to come into being.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:01 PM
 
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you bake cookies.
you cause cookies to come into being.

but you are not a cookie. (or a chicken sandwich either)
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Adirondack Mountains, Upstate NY
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Just because something is not God, does not mean that God is not present in any given place.

What omnipresence means is that there cannot be a place in which we can say God isn't.
I take it to its literal extreme, meaning there's nowhere in space or time God isn't, from the micro to the macro. That being the case that excludes the possibility of something existing that is not God. Kinda like all waves are Water and Water alone through and through and nothing else.

That's a non-dial perspective.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:04 PM
 
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Divinity is in the chicken sandwich, but chicken sandwich is not Divinity. Important distinction.
The Water/wave analogy states the same. A wave is nothing but Water, through and through. Water is not a wave. Same for Clay & pot and Gold and ornament.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:05 PM
 
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I take it to its literal extreme, meaning there's nowhere in space or time God isn't, from the micro to the macro. That being the case that excludes the possibility of something existing that is not God. Kinda like all waves are Water and Water alone through and through and nothing else.

That's a non-dial perspective.
but divinity is also more than and beyond and outside of space, time, form, and universes.
divinity is more than universes.
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