How do we know Jesus was the ONLY son of God ? (prophet, Holy Spirit)
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Jesus Christ does look at people as children of God. So much so that he said to call no man father but your Father in heaven. He said that because after Adam sinned and then chose self-justification and judged God, rather than owning it and seeking mercy. And because of that, all Adam had to offer was dying seed.
Jesus Christ is the firstborn and heir of all God's creation, which Abel acknowledged with his offering and also acknowledged what sin had done to him, dismembered him from God's Garden and put him to Death.
Through Abraham and Isaac you see the story of the firstborn and heir taking shape.
After the sin when questioned, the woman did not curse God, she pointed to the Satan/serpents beguiling, and in God's judgement on the serpent, God said the seed of the woman will crush his head and he will strike his heel. God did not say the seed of the man and woman. God was referring to the seed of living creation, from his first spoken words; Let there be light. As the Satan/serpent had come along and claimed himself to be first light.
A side note to Jesus Christ speaking of taking up serpents, as you can see in the previous paragraph in the judgement on the serpents head and that he will strike his heel. Jesus Christ overcame him. And you can also see that when Moses lifted up the brazen serpent in the desert.
Jesus Christ was crucified under the charge of claiming to be the son of God. As this world seeks to bastardize him. God raised him from the dead according to the living seed God shared in creation from His first spoken. Jesus Christ didn't go around Death, he accepted the judgement and overcame. The Satan/serpent in his beguiling lie claimed no judgement out of one side of his mouth, while speaking judgement against God and God's word out of the other side of his mouth. Who in his end has no ground upon which to stand and disloyalty is all he can seek. While Jesus Christ chose loyalty to God and His word even to the point of Death and suffering.
God put two named trees in the Garden of Eden. Jesus Christ accepted ownership of both trees and to the fullest.
It is good to seek intercession for others, so that what is done in secret will be rewarded openly.
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Originally Posted by eddie gein
Nope, he was crucified because the Romans didn't like the fact that he claimed to be "King of the Jews" when they already had kings installed to run Judea.
The Jews were used to people claiming that they were the Messiah and all that stuff.
Jesus tearing up the Temple and advocating that the Temple was corrupt and needed to be destroyed got him in hot water with those guys.
Matthew...The High Priest said to him, I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God. Yes, it is as you say.......
Mark...Again the high priest asked him, Are you the Christ, the son of the Blessed One. I am, said Jesu and you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One.....
Luke....They all asked, are you the Son of God? He replied, you are right in saying I am......
John....Are you the King of the Jews.....You are a King then, said Pilate.... with this Pilate went out again to the Jews and said, I find no basis for a charge against him.
What people don't seem to get, is that when everybody wants to point fingers as to who crucified Jesus Christ, I can only point the finger at myself first. And with that, obtain forgiveness.
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What people don't seem to get, is that when everybody wants to point fingers as to who crucified Jesus Christ, I can only point the finger at myself first. And with that, obtain forgiveness.
No, you were not alive then, you had nothing to do with it.
I know this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, and may be a fundamental issue in their faith.
However, we need to know the origin of this belief. It needs to be a believable and authoratative source for it to become a fundamental of our belief system.
What if we are ALL sons of God? Can we ALL call God our "Father" which means we are his sons/daughter and lay claim to a direct familial link to God?
If not, then maybe we can be cousins or second cousins, or just best mates?
So, lets have at it...
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God - the only Person who proceeds directly from God the Father. He is begotten, not made, as the Creed tells us.
Jesus is called 'Son of God' in terms of His relation to God the Father. The Son proceeds from the Father.
Humans do not proceed from God, but we proceed from human parents. Even the first man, Adam, did not proceed from God directly, but was formed and fashioned by God out of matter - the dust of the earth.
Human beings can rightly be called 'sons of God' if we have been baptized into God's family. It is through baptism that we are adopted as sons. God is our Father, and Christ is our brother.
This is what the New Testament teaches.
The specie and kind does not change.
If I take a fish or a goat outside and tell people that this is my son, people will laugh at me, and advise me to seek mental medical help.
A human’s son is always a human.
An elephant’s son will always be an elephant.
An eagle’s son will always be an eagle.
And hence, a God’s son will always be a God.
So technically speaking, If Jesus is the son God then Jesus is also God.
Now,
1 - Jesus prayed.
Who did Jesus prayeto? God does not worship or pray to no one!
2 - Jesus was asked, When will the last hour arrive?
He replied, “I don’t know”.
It’s impossible for a God to not know something. You HAVE to know this if you are a God.
So,
Point 1 and 2 prove that neither was Jesus God or God’s son.
Jesus was a messenger of God who was sent to preach the message of monotheism- Pray to ONE God.
And this is the same message that many of God’s prophets who were sent before Jesus towards their nations and tribes.
Plenty have made the claim since then , eg David Koresh (born Vernon Howell), but the claim is usually as the Second Coming of Christ.
Jesus Christ certainly was the original.
I know this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, and may be a fundamental issue in their faith.
However, we need to know the origin of this belief. It needs to be a believable and authoratative source for it to become a fundamental of our belief system.
What if we are ALL sons of God? Can we ALL call God our "Father" which means we are his sons/daughter and lay claim to a direct familial link to God?
If not, then maybe we can be cousins or second cousins, or just best mates?
So, lets have at it...
One must go through the NT in it's chronological order. Then we see how Jesus changes from the first born of all creation, and Christians are the brothers and sisters of Jesus to how Jesus evolves in to being the one and only son.
The specie and kind does not change.
If I take a fish or a goat outside and tell people that this is my son, people will laugh at me, and advise me to seek mental medical help.
A human’s son is always a human.
An elephant’s son will always be an elephant.
An eagle’s son will always be an eagle.
And hence, a God’s son will always be a God.
So technically speaking, If Jesus is the son God then Jesus is also God.
Now,
1 - Jesus prayed.
Who did Jesus prayeto? God does not worship or pray to no one!
2 - Jesus was asked, When will the last hour arrive?
He replied, “I don’t know”.
It’s impossible for a God to not know something. You HAVE to know this if you are a God.
So,
Point 1 and 2 prove that neither was Jesus God or God’s son.
Jesus was a messenger of God who was sent to preach the message of monotheism- Pray to ONE God.
And this is the same message that many of God’s prophets who were sent before Jesus towards their nations and tribes.
Concerning the bolded and what you changed. God's son will always be the son of God, an eternal son. And a loyal son always seeks his Father's Heart.
I am thankful to know God is One, because without that there is no such thing as One Togetherness or Holy Matrimony.
Those who view oneness as being eternally one separate have no structure or connecting point. A House is built in One Togetherness and starts with a cornerstone, as the foundation is laid and then raised upward. Everything in it's rightful place.
To pray to God as One separate you have already formed your own answer, which is disconnection. The One True God has made Covenants with His people to walk in, look too and seek God's Heart. Which is what the true Prophet's speak from.
Concerning the bolded and what you changed. God's son will always be the son of God, an eternal son. And a loyal son always seeks his Father's Heart.
I am thankful to know God is One, because without that there is no such thing as One Togetherness or Holy Matrimony.
Those who view oneness as being eternally one separate have no structure or connecting point. A House is built in One Togetherness and starts with a cornerstone, as the foundation is laid and then raised upward. Everything in it's rightful place.
To pray to God as One separate you have already formed your own answer, which is disconnection. The One True God has made Covenants with His people to walk in, look too and seek God's Heart. Which is what the true Prophet's speak from.
An elephant and the son of elephant, are one one elephant or two elephants?
An eagle and a son of eagle, are one eagle or two eagles?
A fish and a song of eagle, are one fish or two fishes?
A God and his son, are one God or two Gods?
Where is the "oneness structure" to defy this very basic common sense?
An elephant and the son of elephant, are one one elephant or two elephants?
An eagle and a son of eagle, are one eagle or two eagles?
A fish and a song of eagle, are one fish or two fishes?
A God and his son, are one God or two Gods?
Where is the "oneness structure" to defy this very basic common sense?
You remove the title of son as if a son supersedes his father and is no longer a son of his father. Which is divisive. And completely disconnected.
Last edited by chief scum; 05-02-2023 at 07:30 AM..
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