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Old 03-30-2023, 03:34 PM
 
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These seem pretty black and white:

No other gods before Me.

You shall not make for yourself a carved image.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness.

Seem pretty black and white to me.
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That's not true, and it is the ambiguities that result in countless court cases every single day.
Interesting. Four out of the seven commandments* you listed are also found in secular law. And I agree with you...that ambiguities in the law result in many court cases every single day.

As one of the 10 Commandments, you wrote, "You shall not bear false witness." To SOME, it means that we shouldn't lie...AT ALL. Then again, there's the story of Rahab...the prostitute who lied. And yet, God found favor with her. Some might say, "God's being contradictory!" in that case.

Is He really?

Or perhaps, the whole idea of "bearing false witness" isn't as black and white as we may think...and that it may even be appropriate to lie in some cases.

Point is, that while there are ambiguities in secular writings, there are also ambiguities in religious writings.
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Old 03-30-2023, 03:39 PM
 
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Interesting. Four out of the seven commandments* you listed are also found in secular law. And I agree with you...that ambiguities in the law result in many court cases every single day.

As one of the 10 Commandments, you wrote, "You shall not bear false witness." To SOME, it means that we shouldn't lie...AT ALL. Then again, there's the story of Rahab...the prostitute who lied. And yet, God found favor with her. Some might say, "God's being contradictory!" in that case.

Is He really?

Or perhaps, the whole idea of "bearing false witness" isn't as black and white as we may think...and that it may even be appropriate to lie in some cases.

Point is, that while there are ambiguities in secular writings, there are also ambiguities in religious writings.
bearing false witness isn't confusing at all. you say something that's either the truth or it isn't. of course, some people cheat
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Old 03-30-2023, 03:44 PM
 
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bearing false witness isn't confusing at all. you say something that's either the truth or it isn't. of course, some people cheat
Saying something that isn't the truth doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie.
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Old 03-30-2023, 04:20 PM
 
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That's not true, and it is the ambiguities that result in countless court cases every single day.
It only means you have a right to dispute the charge and take the case to court. If you can make your case you win, if not you lose. That has no bearing on the law itself.
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Old 03-30-2023, 04:34 PM
 
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It only means you have a right to dispute the charge and take the case to court. If you can make your case you win, if not you lose. That has no bearing on the law itself.
Ahem:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity_(law)
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Old 03-30-2023, 04:54 PM
 
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OK then. Sometime the law itself is written with a lot of ambiguity on purpose, for instance the tax law concerning carried interest. It was a ploy to subvert income tax, so the ordinary income itself becomes something else, with a very low rate.
Many of the corporate laws are written by corporate lawyer themselves and given to the representative, along with generous campaign contribution, because "Corporations are People too.".They are meant to be ambiguous.

Generally the laws most people deal with in daily life are not ambiguous. But if the motive is to make it ambiguous in order to cheat and defraud, well that is whole different thing. There is also a move to protect consumers from contract and credit fraud by making them simpler, written in simple English, rather than Legalese.

But this is aside from the the interpretation of religious texts. They are not ambiguous to purposefully misguide but because the thoughts and experiences cannot be expressed in simple words, much of it needs to be inferred and intuited, with understanding of sub texts.
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Old 03-30-2023, 04:57 PM
 
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OK then. Sometime the law itself is written with a lot of ambiguity on purpose, for instance the tax law concerning carried interest. It was a ploy to subvert income tax, so the ordinary income itself becomes something else, with a very low rate.
Many of the corporate laws are written by corporate lawyer themselves and given to the representative, along with generous campaign contribution, because "Corporations are People too.".They are meant to be ambiguous.

Generally the laws most people deal with in daily life are not ambiguous. But if the motive is to make it ambiguous in order to cheat and defraud, well that is whole different thing. There is also a move to protect consumers from contract and credit fraud by making them simpler, written in simple English, rather than Legalese.

But this is aside from the the interpretation of religious texts. They are not ambiguous to purposefully misguide but because the thoughts and experiences cannot be expressed in simple words, much of it needs to be inferred and intuited, with understanding of sub texts.
Your insistence on clinging tightly to your ego and cbsplaining topics you know nothing about never ceases to amaze me.
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Old 03-30-2023, 05:39 PM
 
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Your insistence on clinging tightly to your ego and cbsplaining topics you know nothing about never ceases to amaze me.
That’s fine with me
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:15 PM
 
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In the orthodox Islamisms, no interpretations to Q'Ran are permitted. The word of God is final. There can be clarifications, but not interpretations. The Prophet's message must be learned in the original language and utilized as such.
Interpretations killed, pretty much, every other religion. Or, turned the original teaching, like that of Yeshua, into a religion.
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Old 03-30-2023, 08:03 PM
 
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In the orthodox Islamisms, no interpretations to Q'Ran are permitted. The word of God is final. There can be clarifications, but not interpretations. The Prophet's message must be learned in the original language and utilized as such. Interpretations killed, pretty much, every other religion. Or, turned the original teaching, like that of Yeshua, into a religion.
and what for you is the difference between "clarification" and "interpretation" of a religious text?
isn't "clarifying" what a text or passage says the same as "interpreting" what it says?
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