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Old 12-16-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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"This is the truths"?? Does no one else cringe at horrible grammar? Jeez.
I do, and I have the power to fix it, but now that I know how much it bugs you...
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Old 12-16-2022, 01:35 PM
 
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Practically speaking, how would one theoretically go about using empirical science to record and "recognize" a supernatural occurrence?

Science deals with nature, and the "supernatural" is by definition outside nature...

Very simple. God can simply grow a new limb onto an amputee. Science would recognize that as a supernatural occurrence because science says it cannot happen on its own.
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Old 12-16-2022, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Very simple. God can simply grow a new limb onto an amputee. Science would recognize that as a supernatural occurrence because science says it cannot happen on its own.
Done. Though I don't expect it to be good enough for you.
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Old 12-16-2022, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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In this case, "ulterior motives" is not a feasible explanation; unless you want to claim that each of Jesus' "pals" had a death wish.

None of Jesus' followers experienced anything close to material prosperity due to the Jesus story.
No, not really, because the ulterior motive could have been to increase Jesus' following.
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Old 12-16-2022, 04:01 PM
 
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Because the perspective of 'pals one hangs out with' is always an accurate description of a person? Because such 'pals' couldn't possibly have an ulterior motive to direct the 'story' in a particular way?
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No, not really, because the ulterior motive could have been to increase Jesus' following.
For what purpose?
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Old 12-16-2022, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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For what purpose?
The same reason that all cults try to increase their following. Power.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:15 PM
 
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The same reason that all cults try to increase their following. Power.
Christ's followers had no earthly power to speak of until three centuries after Christ's time. Many generations.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:16 PM
 
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No, not really, because the ulterior motive could have been to increase Jesus' following.
But why would they want to do that if they knew that Jesus was dead? It would have proven the whole thing a sham.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:36 PM
 
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Christ's followers had no earthly power to speak of until three centuries after Christ's time. Many generations.
Then I can ask the question why they didn't just disband and go back to their previous lives.
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Old 12-17-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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The same reason that all cults try to increase their following. Power.
What kind of power?
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