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Old 10-16-2022, 08:59 PM
 
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Harvard University's Samuel Huntington observed: "The late 20th century has seen the global resurgence of religions around the world" (The Clash of Civilizations, p. 64).[9]
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Alister McGrath points out that many atheists/agnostics were angry that the secularization thesis failed because religion was "supposed to" disappear.[10] Peter Berger said that the religiosity of the United States was a big exception to the secularization theory that should have caused social scientists to question the theory.[7]
Douglas S. Winnail wrote:
“ Secular leaders and scholars have been surprised by the resurgence of religion, because they put their faith in the assumption that modernization would lead to secularization and to the decline of religion. This idea—the so-called "secularization theory"—is widely accepted in academic and political circles. It assumes that as societies modernize and become more secular, religion will wither away as an archaic and useless branch of knowledge. Their assumption was that if religion became irrelevant, and human beings became more reasonable, they would dwell together in peace and happiness in a modernized world.
However, human history did not follow this "reasonable" path to a secular utopia. The closing decades of the 20th century "provide a massive falsification of the idea" that modernization and secularization will lead to a decline in religion. Instead, we are witnessing a massive upsurge in religion around the world (The Desecularization of the World: Resurgent Religion and World Politics, Berger, p. 6). This resurgence of religion has also played a part in an increasing number of violent conflicts around the world. Secular intellectuals and elites have been shocked by this development, because it is proving that their fundamental assumptions about human beings and human society are absolutely wrong! The modern secular notion that religion is archaic and irrelevant has caused many to overlook the importance of religion in human affairs. As a result, they have been taken by surprise by the return of religion. As Peter Berger, one of the world's leading sociologists of religion, wrote: "Those who neglect religion in their analysis of contemporary affairs do so at great peril" (Berger, p. 18). But what has spawned the modern revival of religion, and the spreading rejection of secular society?[9]
https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheis...ce_of_religion

 
Old 10-16-2022, 09:12 PM
 
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It's unfair to categorize Agnostics with Atheists. Though some agnostics are adamant no living creature is capable of understanding or knowing whether any Gods exist, others only speak on their own behalf, which is most often a fluid position.
 
Old 10-16-2022, 09:25 PM
 
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It's unfair to categorize Agnostics with Atheists. Though some agnostics are adamant no living creature is capable of understanding or knowing whether any Gods exist, others only speak on their own behalf, which is most often a fluid position.
The title may be a little off, but regardless the focus of the articles are about the resurgence of religion as a response to secularization, modernity, and globalization. Atheists and others expected secularization will remove the “religion problem” and that there will be peaceful coexistence. Neither has materialized, but ratger resurgence of religion.
Case in point from current headlines: the demand of Christian Evangelists to make the US a Christian State.
 
Old 10-16-2022, 09:38 PM
 
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I don't think that your premise is true in the United States and Europe. But it stands to reason that religion might be growing in other places in the world.

I know that LDS, Seventh Day Adventists and some of the more unorthodox Christian churches talk about how their membership is exploding around the world. In fact, I think SDA has way more non USA practitioners than they do in country as they have been very aggressive in evangelizing the third world.
 
Old 10-16-2022, 11:57 PM
 
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The title may be a little off, but regardless the focus of the articles are about the resurgence of religion as a response to secularization, modernity, and globalization. Atheists and others expected secularization will remove the “religion problem” and that there will be peaceful coexistence. Neither has materialized, but ratger resurgence of religion.
Case in point from current headlines: the demand of Christian Evangelists to make the US a Christian State.
Lol, “religion problem” in quotes. From your own article, this 'resurgence of religion has also played a part in an increasing number of violent conflicts around the world', and 'what has spawned the modern revival of religion, and the spreading rejection of secular society?'

You even admit there is a “religion problem” when you mention 'the demand of Christian Evangelists to make the US a Christian State'.

And the icing on the lol cake, you are quoting conservapedia, a site set up and supported by by dishonest religious cranks who are happy to misrepresent what is really happening.

All you are doing is laughing at straw man atheism while women in Iran are being sexually assaulted by the morality police.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 01:59 AM
 
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I don't think that your premise is true in the United States and Europe. But it stands to reason that religion might be growing in other places in the world.

I know that LDS, Seventh Day Adventists and some of the more unorthodox Christian churches talk about how their membership is exploding around the world. In fact, I think SDA has way more non USA practitioners than they do in country as they have been very aggressive in evangelizing the third world.
Not my premise. It is the conclusion from researched materials, indexed, and chapters and page numbers of sources quoted. Why do you think it is not true in the US? Do you have research that supports your premise, that religion has declined here and secularism and prosperity has brought peace and coexistence? Is that you experience? What news source are you reading or watching?
Around the world not just Christianity, but all religions are flourishing, with new temples and mosques being built.
Increased religiosity and reclaiming of original culture, according to research, is the result of and resistance to secularizing, westernization, and the globalization of open markets, including globalized work force. Prosperity has helped these regions gain confidence, ammunition, and power to assert and cling to their indigenous culture.
Read the entire page carefully or the the sections I have quoted from it.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 02:12 AM
 
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Lol, “religion problem” in quotes. From your own article, this 'resurgence of religion has also played a part in an increasing number of violent conflicts around the world', and 'what has spawned the modern revival of religion, and the spreading rejection of secular society?'

You even admit there is a “religion problem” when you mention 'the demand of Christian Evangelists to make the US a Christian State'.

And the icing on the lol cake, you are quoting conservapedia, a site set up and supported by by dishonest religious cranks who are happy to misrepresent what is really happening.

All you are doing is laughing at straw man atheism while women in Iran are being sexually assaulted by the morality police.
I am not sure what your point is and what makes you LOL. Atheists and others believe secularism, westernization and globalization will end the conflicts and wars which they believe are due to religion. THAT is not what is happening. Prosperity, westernization and globalization are causing religion to flourish and grow, as well as conflicts.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 08:55 AM
 
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I am not sure what your point is and what makes you LOL. Atheists and others believe secularism, westernization and globalization will end the conflicts and wars which they believe are due to religion. THAT is not what is happening. Prosperity, westernization and globalization are causing religion to flourish and grow, as well as conflicts.
The whole idea that War is solely because of religion is silly. Russia for the most part is a secular country, they tried to extinguish Christianity during the Soviet era. So what is the whole Russia / Ukraine conflicts because of religion? No.

Was WWI or WWII because of religion? No.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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The whole idea that War is solely because of religion is silly. Russia for the most part is a secular country, they tried to extinguish Christianity during the Soviet era. So what is the whole Russia / Ukraine conflicts because of religion? No.

Was WWI or WWII because of religion? No.
well, there is a thought that religion itself is a mere construct made by western scholars. it is not a thing and there is much that we do not understand about what is called religion. so when Pew Research is quoted about their collection of data on religion and the religious it needs to be questioned. how do they define religion and how do the respondents define it.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 09:22 AM
 
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I don't see religion or lack of religion doing away with war. War is more about resources.
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