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Or just because it is the right thing to DO. When people march with BLM protesters and take a knee, they are protesting injustice, even when they are themselves not affected because of the color of their skins. Love has nothing to do with it.
Love is not enough when action is required. And most of all love can stop, change, turn to hate. It is undependable. It can be given and withdrawn at the will of the giver.
I think maybe we're maybe just talking past each other, and I'm not sure how to explain what it is I'm trying to say. You say that taking a knee, for instance, is just "the right thing to do." I'm saying that if you didn't feel apage love for people of color and the tremendous injustices that have been perpetrated against them, the idea that standing up for them was "the right thing to do" would not even occur to you. You'd stand up for someone who was marginalized, not because they had done something that made you feel indebted to them and not because you expected something from them in return, but because your heart tells you that these injustices are wrong and that they need to stop and that you need to be a part of the solution. You don't have to talk yourself into it. It's just something you feel. You feel something for someone that compels you to stand up for them, strengthen them, and give them hope, and you can't just turn this feeling off, nor can you ignore the need to act on it. I don't think you even realize that it's agape love that motivates you, but I think it is. It's not the same kind of love as other kinds of love. It's entirely different from the love a parent has for a child or than siblings have for each other or that a man has for a woman. Just my two cents...
I think maybe we're maybe just talking past each other, and I'm not sure how to explain what it is I'm trying to say. You say that taking a knee, for instance, is just "the right thing to do." I'm saying that if you didn't feel apage love for people of color and the tremendous injustices that have been perpetrated against them, the idea that standing up for them was "the right thing to do" would not even occur to you. You'd stand up for someone who was marginalized, not because they had done something that made you feel indebted to them and not because you expected something from them in return, but because your heart tells you that these injustices are wrong and that they need to stop and that you need to be a part of the solution. You don't have to talk yourself into it. It's just something you feel. You feel something for someone that compels you to stand up for them, strengthen them, and give them hope, and you can't just turn this feeling off, nor can you ignore the need to act on it. I don't think you even realize that it's agape love that motivates you, but I think it is. It's not the same kind of love as other kinds of love. It's entirely different from the love a parent has for a child or than siblings have for each other or that a man has for a woman. Just my two cents...
According to Wiki, "Agape is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, 'the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God'. The word is not to be confused with philia, brotherly love, or philautia, self-love, as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. It goes beyond just the emotions to the extent of seeking the best for others." The pronunciation is ah-GAH-pee, not a-GAPE, and the biblical definition predates anything you'll find on a porn site.
Let me be clear. I'm suspicious of ANYONE who over uses the term "love", especially in regards to claiming it as one their own attributes.
Well, anyone who claims they have achieved it is probably being less than honest, but I wouldn't be suspicious of someone who claims they strive for it. I mean, that's something that all Christians should seek to attain.
Well, it sounds like you are very righteous. Obviously, you would have never taken part in slavery if you had been in that culture. Good for you.
N9 back then I'd probably be religious just to keep my head hence I'd be a Jew and a poor one at that. I'd just be happy if a Christian would just admit that slavery, as described in the Bible, was not right itd mostly in the Old Testament anyways.i certainly do not think the idea that owning another human to beat, rape or sell is a moral thing to do. Same as executing rape victims. Neither are legal in our countries today hence I'd wager that most Christians do not think today they are moral actions.
And many Christians also follow that the OT got homosexuality incorrect too.
I still find it as contradictions that one can say that God is just and perfect love if you don't accept slavery and punishment of rape victims are wrong its been explained that i mus aL ready be a Christian to understand it and i can accept that view as lon as othere can understand why i can not consider m9re research inot your relogin to become one.. I don't ever want to get to the place where executing rape victims is just and perfect love in my mind.
N9 back then I'd probably be religious just to keep my head hence I'd be a Jew and a poor one at that. I'd just be happy if a Christian would just admit that slavery, as described in the Bible, was not right itd mostly in the Old Testament anyways.i certainly do not think the idea that owning another human to beat, rape or sell is a moral thing to do. Same as executing rape victims. Neither are legal in our countries today hence I'd wager that most Christians do not think today they are moral actions.
And many Christians also follow that the OT got homosexuality incorrect too.
Do you think it was the commandment to be fruitful and multiply is where they went wrong? Sort of makes the Gods sound like farmers...farmers like production.
Well, anyone who claims they have achieved it is probably being less than honest, but I wouldn't be suspicious of someone who claims they strive for it. I mean, that's something that all Christians should seek to attain.
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You nailed it, Katz. That is agape.
