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guided is not led to me. "fate", if you work hard and keep doing the next right thing your life will be ok. usually. thats fate. Keep giving welfare and the next generation will need wellfare ... that's fate.
"Patterns in random", the more we learn the more patterns there are. Nothing we can do about that observation. it is what it is. to deby it is silly. To try and hide it (mordrant) is flat out deceitful.
"meaning", is a personal opinion. "meaningless" is personal opinion. Naybe even the right one for some people. If people need a "god" to be moral that tells me something about being human. But then again, I don't speed because of police. I don't steal because I am taking something from another person, but I don't speed because of police.
Don't confuse Law with ethics or science with seeing faces in the fire.
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009
you can't always get what you want; but if you try sometime, you might find you get what you need
On the other hand, more often - if you try - you get what you want, and then you find it was the last thing you needed.
One thing you need is reasoning, not song lyrics, as a guide to life.
Don't confuse Law with ethics or science with seeing faces in the fire.
believe me, the law and ethics have never been so far apart as they are today in the USA.
anti religion and covering up any commonsense conclusion that counters "lack belief in anything" because it helps "them there theist" are two different intentions. The end does not always justify the means. again, its sometimes true ... no matter how we feel about it.
If the face is there, the face is there. That's where the lines of logic start. no "christian god", no "lack belief in anything", just start with what we have. What we see around us is better described as "alive" than it is "non life".
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I am sure the atheists here will say even if it happens a 1000 times it means nothing.
On the way to work today a car to my right decided to change into my lane while I was right next to him. Since I don't have near collisions everyday, how should I interpret this minor event?
I'm asking this apart from any statement of Christian belief or atheism. What does a single event mean? Nothing. It is just something that is happening or happened.
I do believe that only the most illogical people want to ascribe meaning to things that have no meaning. Quit searching. Whatever you're looking for isn't represented by a "bad day."
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Originally Posted by Freak80
*Sigh.*
Even when I was a hard-core evangelical Christian I never saw trivial coincidences like that as the work of the Christian God or other supernatural agents.
Improbable things happen.
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Doesn't He have something better to do than watch us fumble through life? It's ludicrous, really.
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Originally Posted by skepticratic
No. Even as a Christian, I thought it was silly to think God would micromanage life to this level. What all powerful, all knowing force could possibly give a **** if I go on a vacation? That does't make any sense at all. ...
"Hmmm, skepticratic decided to visit Cozumel this year. Well, that's two HeavenBucks they lost."
For someone so omnipotent, it sure seems a distraction to have to play SimUniverse with 7+billion sentient beings (plus what-/who-ever else is out there). It just seems time would be better spent eradicating disease or something constructive.
Edit: Look at that - this post is my 42nd post. And we all know what 42 is the answer to.
On the way to work today a car to my right decided to change into my lane while I was right next to him. Since I don't have near collisions everyday, how should I interpret this minor event?
I'm asking this apart from any statement of Christian belief or atheism. What does a single event mean? Nothing. It is just something that is happening or happened.
I think God wants you to buy a new car before he strikes yours down.
One thing you need is reasoning, not song lyrics, as a guide to life.
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily,
Joyfully, playfully watching me.
But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible,
Logical, responsible, practical.
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable,
Clinical, intellectual, cynical.
There are times when all the world's asleep,
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man.
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd
But please tell me who I am.
Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, Liberal, fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable!*
guided is not led to me. "fate", if you work hard and keep doing the next right thing your life will be ok. usually. thats fate. Keep giving welfare and the next generation will need wellfare ... that's fate.
"Patterns in random", the more we learn the more patterns there are. Nothing we can do about that observation. it is what it is. to deby it is silly. To try and hide it (mordrant) is flat out deceitful.
"meaning", is a personal opinion. "meaningless" is personal opinion. Naybe even the right one for some people. If people need a "god" to be moral that tells me something about being human. But then again, I don't speed because of police. I don't steal because I am taking something from another person, but I don't speed because of police.
believe me, the law and ethics have never been so far apart as they are today in the USA.
anti religion and covering up any commonsense conclusion that counters "lack belief in anything" because it helps "them there theist" are two different intentions. The end does not always justify the means. again, its sometimes true ... no matter how we feel about it.
If the face is there, the face is there. That's where the lines of logic start. no "christian god", no "lack belief in anything", just start with what we have. What we see around us is better described as "alive" than it is "non life".
i get "faces in the fire," was it maybe reflecting "strange fire" that he meant? that you meant? sir? that he meant? Because that is a good-sounding law...but Moses talked to the face in the fire, yes?
On the way to work today a car to my right decided to change into my lane while I was right next to him. Since I don't have near collisions everyday, how should I interpret this minor event?
I'm asking this apart from any statement of Christian belief or atheism. What does a single event mean? Nothing. It is just something that is happening or happened.
I do believe that only the most illogical people want to ascribe meaning to things that have no meaning. Quit searching. Whatever you're looking for isn't represented by a "bad day."
Doesn't He have something better to do than watch us fumble through life? It's ludicrous, really.
"Hmmm, skepticratic decided to visit Cozumel this year. Well, that's two HeavenBucks they lost."
For someone so omnipotent, it sure seems a distraction to have to play SimUniverse with 7+billion sentient beings (plus what-/who-ever else is out there). It just seems time would be better spent eradicating disease or something constructive.
Edit: Look at that - this post is my 42nd post. And we all know what 42 is the answer to.
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily,
Joyfully, playfully watching me.
But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible,
Logical, responsible, practical.
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable,
Clinical, intellectual, cynical.
There are times when all the world's asleep,
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man.
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd
But please tell me who I am.
Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, Liberal, fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable!*
*challenge accepted
An all-time fave.
Too soon etc.
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